Re: Are the board concerned about losing fans and money ?
 

[QUOTE=LL11 2AH;2305552]That’s why I put members in our case in brackets, I’m not going to go back and forth over it as that’s the process. Ask the WST Secretary and he will confirm it or ask a company law specialist and or any director of a company.
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This, in a nutshell, is why these threads rumble on and on with no tangible outcome.

The reality is, most of the people who comment about removing the board or making changes have no idea what they’re talking about and it does little to inspire confidence that we could affect change where it is obviously needed.

Even the EGM proposal was ill conceived and poorly executed. All it takes is a modicum of research beforehand and for people to follow the correct protocol but time after time the throwing your toys out of the pram approach seems to be favoured.

Re: Are the board concerned about losing fans and money ?
 

[QUOTE=John Neals Dynasty;2305541]It will probably have to end in the courts like FC United.

You can't run a football club with volunteers it's pathetic and amateurish.

Power corrupts and both boards will do anything to stay in control.
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Beginning to wonder what's actually more important to them
. Wrexham FC, or them living their dreams out, running it with total control.
They may of set off with good intentions, but I don't think they can now let go that power.
They are certainly acting like the untouchables.

I'd hoped from day one, fans owned would just be temporary, as its very limited. After all, this is football, and failure to be even a bit successful, will eventually bite you in the arse

Re: Are the board concerned about losing fans and money ?
 

[QUOTE=BP Red;2305597]

Even the EGM proposal was ill conceived and poorly executed. All it takes is a modicum of research beforehand and for people to follow the correct protocol but time after time the throwing your toys out of the pram approach seems to be favoured.[/QUOTE]

What correct protocol wasn't followed?

How do you know what approach was followed?

Did you really believe the first ever call for an EGM was going to be perfect? What did you expect, statements prepared by lawyers?

At least they have tried is all I can say. Better than just talking about it on here and better than waiting for someone else to do it then just looking for anyway to criticise it and pull it apart.

There are still loads of people who don't understand what the call for the EGM is, its been explained but many chose not to bother reading it.

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[QUOTE=BP Red;2305597]
Even the EGM proposal was ill conceived and poorly executed. All it takes is a modicum of research beforehand and for people to follow the correct protocol but time after time the throwing your toys out of the pram approach seems to be favoured.[/QUOTE]

To be honest I thought the call for the EGM has been well thought out and protocols followed?

If i'm understanding this correctly, the call for signatures is simply the first step in following the procedure. Enough signatures received, the group or persons responsible can draw up their full proposal and then call for the EGM in the correct manner.

I still can't see where protocol has been 'breached' so far? Someone can probably tell me...

Re: Are the board concerned about losing fans and money ?
 

[QUOTE=Wreck Sam;2305570][B]Part of the problem has been that the same person can sit on the 2 boards. [/B]This leads to a lack of accountability. If a WAFC board member acts in a way that is not in the interests of the club (the club and not the status quo) then the WST should act on behalf of the club to address that problem. Clearly there is reason to believe that this isn't happening. Is the club serving the WST or is the WST doing what as members we are fully entitled to demand ? The WST are custodians of our club. The WAFC board should be accountable for driving the club forward on the field... not WST matters. An honest self appraisal is needed by those on the WST and WAFC boards if any good can come from where we find ourselves. I don't believe the part time input in key areas are in the best interests of the club. The waste of our budget over the years would maybe fund a person of vision that can see beyond what we have been delivered these last 8 years.[/QUOTE]

This.

There should only be one person who is on both boards - and their purpose on the WST board should be to hold the FC board to account.

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[QUOTE=Ooh aah Paskin;2305605]To be honest I thought the call for the EGM has been well thought out and protocols followed?

If i'm understanding this correctly, the call for signatures is simply the first step in following the procedure. Enough signatures received, the group or persons responsible can draw up their full proposal and then call for the EGM in the correct manner.

I still can't see where protocol has been 'breached' so far? Someone can probably tell me...[/QUOTE]

The correct way would’ve been to compile the motions before asking for support. Instead it led to pages and pages of posts, some useful, most not.

Nothing has been breached because nothing has been submitted. That’s the point, time and time again we get half arsed ideas on here with no proper resolution.

Yes, good on someone for trying to change something, but to the outsider reading this or someone from the club, it just makes us look as clueless as them.

Re: Are the board concerned about losing fans and money ?
 

[QUOTE=BP Red;2305614]The correct way would’ve been to compile the motions before asking for support. Instead it led to pages and pages of posts, some useful, most not.

Nothing has been breached because nothing has been submitted. That’s the point, time and time again we get half arsed ideas on here with no proper resolution.

Yes, good on someone for trying to change something, but to the outsider reading this or someone from the club, it just makes us look as clueless as them.[/QUOTE]

Everyone knows best when armed with hindsight.

Re: Are the board concerned about losing fans and money ?
 

[QUOTE=John Neals Dynasty;2305541]You can't run a football club with volunteers it's pathetic and amateurish.

Power corrupts and both boards will do anything to stay in control.
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I agree totally. People in paid positions also need to be more accountable. Stadium Manager is an obvious person to point the finger at.

Think having a lifespan is also important. The WST has had different people in charge at different times to do different jobs.

For me a good example is P.Salmon who does all of the maintenance and will have saved us a ridiculous amount of money, I am certain. We need to be in a position where we are not relying on that. It is not sustainable. And he's someone I know little about as a fan but have been impressed by and absolutely appreciate he will have saved us huge amounts of money over the years. He SHOULD be paid for those services and if we can't afford it then we need to know.

For the record, he is someone I have no issue with whatsoever being on the club board.

Re: Are the board concerned about losing fans and money ?
 

[QUOTE=Rk11;2305624]I agree totally. People in paid positions also need to be more accountable. Stadium Manager is an obvious person to point the finger at.

Think having a lifespan is also important. The WST has had different people in charge at different times to do different jobs.

For me a good example is P.Salmon who does all of the maintenance and will have saved us a ridiculous amount of money, I am certain. We need to be in a position where we are not relying on that. It is not sustainable. And he's someone I know little about as a fan but have been impressed by and absolutely appreciate he will have saved us huge amounts of money over the years. He SHOULD be paid for those services and if we can't afford it then we need to know.

For the record, he is someone I have no issue with whatsoever being on the club board.[/QUOTE]

Agree with this. Unfortunately the current system will support the current level of where we are at if all goes well or National North if the waste and bad decision making continues. 8 years of decline is all the evidence we need. It all keeps coming back to having the vision of success defined. By now we should be relying less on volunteers for some roles. I still believe a healthy volunteer base in some areas can do nothing but enhance the club btw. This mindset that part time will be ok has been a driver for the waste of a competitive budget generated by our awesome support. That same support saved the club originally with excellent initiatives driven by RP. It is up to those on the boards currently to be honest about what they are contributing. Yes we can carry on at 5th tier where the exciting times will be escaping 6th tier... or we can have a vision that welcomes skill sets to reverse our decline and deliver the success that can be measured on the field. Im sure at least some currently sitting on the boards would welcome that approach but maybe not all. There is a big sea of opportunity out there but maybe the small pool we are currently in suits some ?