Are the board concerned about losing fans and money ?

[Quay Red]

Originally Posted by Ooh aah Paskin

I may be being dumb here but,

Can a person be a director of the Club Board if they have been voted off the Trust Board? Ie. Do you have to be on the Trust Board to be a Club Board member?

Just wondering, because I believe some Trust board members are up for re-election next year (?) who coincidentally are also on the Club Board.

Therefore, would losing Trust Board status automatically lose Club Board status? If so, that is one avenue. If not, what's the point?

A trust board member can be voted off at an AGM or EGM.
The constitution requires that a majority of the football club board are from the WST board to ensure that decisions are made in line with trust policy.
I f a trust board member was deselected then, theoretically he could be co opted onto the FC board but even the most ardent Trust board member would be hard pressed to go against the wishes of a decision made at an EGM.
Sensible change needs to be thought through and alternative proposals would need to gain the members support,
A wholesale cull is not the answer, considered change is.
personally think the Keates appointment was lazy and the DSA decision was petulant. Doesn't anyone pick up a phone and talk these days or is it all down to text and 'E' Mail.

[Quay Red]

Originally Posted by cardiffred

This.

There should only be one person who is on both boards - and their purpose on the WST board should be to hold the FC board to account.

Then you need a motion to change the constitution and that would require a 75% approval.

Currently the constitution allows for a majority representation from the WST.

[John Neals Dynasty]

Originally Posted by Wrexham's Patrick Bateman

Beginning to wonder what's actually more important to them
. Wrexham FC, or them living their dreams out, running it with total control.
They may of set off with good intentions, but I don't think they can now let go that power.
They are certainly acting like the untouchables.

I'd hoped from day one, fans owned would just be temporary, as its very limited. After all, this is football, and failure to be even a bit successful, will eventually bite you in the arse

I agree with your post in it's entirety
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[benwilliams]

Not sure which thread to post this in and didn't want to start yet another new one.

My take on things:

Keates - objectively sensible appointment but may have wished to look elsewhere as clear he was going to be divisive

Davies - not impressed by him when he was manager but if you appoint Keates you have to let him work with who he feels best. Good that he is FT not PT.

DSA - All a bit of a sorry episode, wish they'd have resolved it in a non-public way. Club seem more at fault from what I've read but DSA could have done things to de-escalate.

Press conference - agree it was all a bit weird and uncomfortable. Not good Dixie verbally contradicted the statement and that Keates had to announce Flynn departure and Davies arrival.

That's my views out of the way, how how do we constructively resolve this mess? Getting more and more angry at the board and each other won't help our club flourish. Other than resign/sack Keates immediately what can the board realistically start doing to build bridges?

I am happy to email them with a summary of your suggestions but like Brexit the toxic polarised round and round debate and vitriol is depressing and unhelpful.

[Wreck Sam]

The WST surely only need 1 person to sit on the WAFC board to keep an eye on things. If that person is seen to be not keeping an eye then it was the wrong appointment. People at board level have to take responsibility for the roles they were appointed for. Why does it need the majority to be from the WST board ? No point in having a separate WAFC board is there. If 5th tier is the exciting times then the WST need to come clean.

[John Neals Dynasty]

Originally Posted by Rk11

I agree totally. People in paid positions also need to be more accountable. Stadium Manager is an obvious person to point the finger at.

Think having a lifespan is also important. The WST has had different people in charge at different times to do different jobs.

For me a good example is P.Salmon who does all of the maintenance and will have saved us a ridiculous amount of money, I am certain. We need to be in a position where we are not relying on that. It is not sustainable. And he's someone I know little about as a fan but have been impressed by and absolutely appreciate he will have saved us huge amounts of money over the years. He SHOULD be paid for those services and if we can't afford it then we need to know.

For the record, he is someone I have no issue with whatsoever being on the club board.

Good post -- For me the writing was on the wall when Bircham and Horne left although reason given was to concentrate on their new Fat Boar business I think that was a smokescreen regarding bigger problems and these 2 have not been replaced.

We have taken back a failed manager and his staff.. Look at the difference between him and Ricketts who is now doing well at Shrewsbury.
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[draigwrecsam]

As I recall, there was a motion at a recent AGM to make AFC Board members elected by the members. This was defeated.

[LL11 2AH]

Originally Posted by Quay Red

Then you need a motion to change the constitution and that would require a 75% approval.

Currently the constitution allows for a majority representation from the WST.

This is incorrect, a two thirds majority is required in order to change the constitution.
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[Quay Red]

Originally Posted by LL11 2AH

This is incorrect, a two thirds majority is required in order to change the constitution.
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I would refer you to the WST rules.
Section 50.1.1Any resolution to change the Society's rules and Section 51. a 75% majority is required as it's considered and Extraordinary resolution.

Also to ensure that it's clear - section 28.3 requires a minimum of 3 members of the trust board to be nominated for the club board.