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NedStarksGhost 7th October 2019 21.49:29

Monday Statement from DSA
 
Statement from the DSA:

Following last night’s statement from Wrexham AFC, we also felt it important that the situation is clarified regarding the club’s disappointing decision to relieve the volunteers of Wrexham DSA of their platform duties, and also to correct some inaccuracies in their statement.

In the spirit of openness and transparency, we too have included emails sent between both parties to allow readers the opportunity to build their own opinion.

Before the game vs Ebbsfleet

Firstly some background to the initial request for a pitch presentation and the possibility of some tickets for guests.
Wrexham DSA are a part of a wider group of DSA’s called Allies in Access, and as part of this group Wrexham DSA was recently recognised for a National Award at a Fans for Diversity ceremony in London. During discussion the other DSA’s suggested visiting Wrexham DSA on a match day, ideally the 12th October 2019 when their respective Premiership and Championship clubs would have no fixture due to the international break. We thought it an opportunity to have our group award presented on the pitch. We had hoped that this would also be a positive story for the club to share in. Though we may be non-league on the pitch, in terms of the work done by Wrexham DSA and AFC in partnership, we are right up there with the biggest club’s in the country, we simply could not have launched the likes of Audio Descriptive Commentary, built viewing platform 1 or held the 1st Autism friendly football match in the UK for example without the club’s cooperation. So when Wrexham DSA are praised at a national level, it naturally puts Wrexham AFC in good light.

The refusal of complimentary tickets is a non-issue for us as a committee, it was a question asked on the off chance, and given we’d been to Molineux and The Bescot Stadium as guests previously we’d have liked to have repaid the favour if possible.
The sour point for us was the refusal of an on pitch presentation, and the original reason given to Wrexham DSA via email which was; “due to the fact it isn't a Wrexham AFC club related award”
and not the “Unfortunately, Wrexham AFC were further unable to facilitate this request due to the tunnel area being restricted from 2pm onwards on match day. This operation is standard practice at all of our home games”
reasoning supplied in Wrexham AFC’s statement.
Rightly or wrongly this was taken very negatively by members of the Wrexham DSA committee who took it in the context of, ‘despite the hours we give to the club on a match day, we are not club related.’
With a feeling of frustration and being taken for granted some of the committee said that they would not be on duty for the next home game versus Ebbsfleet and the club were subsequently notified on Friday 27th September.

Now within the press release there is a blatant lie; “The DSA also informed our stadium manager and our DLO they were not prepared to supply the names of the supporters attending the platform”.
At absolutely no point was this threat made! And having painstakingly planned the platform rota for the past 3 years making many friends along the way, I take great umbrage to Wrexham AFC wrongly implying that I have used our platform users in such a manner.
On supplying the platform list as usual to the stadium manager, I ended the message, “I hope this helps things run smoothly”, not exactly militant “Strike” action.
A fellow committee member decided he still wished to be on duty, meaning that there was still a Wrexham DSA presence on the car park, distribution of ADC commentary, and the viewing platform. The club were notified of his presence on Friday evening and again confirmed on the Saturday.

Following the release of Wrexham AFC’s statement, one suggestion made on social media by members of the Wrexham fan base was that this was us throwing our toys out of the pram for being denied a ‘photo opportunity’ on the pitch. It’s worth bearing in mind that we could have taken this to Villa Park, St. Andrew’s or Mollineux for a photo opportunity, but we and our fellow Allies in Access wanted it at the Racecourse Stadium. This in our opinion was a missed opportunity by Wrexham AFC.

Following the Ebbsfleet Fixture

On Thursday evening at 17:21 we received the following email setting a tight deadline;
“In light of your recent strike action on Saturday 28th September.

Please could you clarify your position from here on to us.

Could you please advise us if you will you be attending the next Wrexham AFC league game on Tuesday 8th October to carry out the disabled supporters association match day voluntary duties? As we will need to be in contact with the Wrexham Supporters Association
and Glyndwr to make them aware of the situation if you will not be manning the disabled blue badge spaces, to give them the opportunity to make other arrangements.

Along with club making alternative arrangements if you will not be supervising the platform, or contacting service users to arrange the platform rota. We would however assume like Saturday, that someone will be attending on Tuesday night to run the audio descriptive commentary service.

Could you please advise us of your thoughts regarding this matter no later than 12pm tomorrow (Friday). So, that the club have the necessary time to organise for Tuesday night’s game, if there is a need. Our main concern and priority is the fans that rely on these services being in place, so we don't want any unnecessary disruption to our service users
on a match day.”

The DSA committee discussed the email on the Thursday evening, with the outcome being that we all wished to continue and would be on duty as normal for the next home game. With our Co-chair Steve in London meeting his spinal consultant, I stated that I would respond to the email the following morning.
The following response was sent at 1pm the following day, 1 hour past the deadline set to Wrexham DSA by Wrexham AFC;

“I am planning the rota as normal for Tuesday, which the club will have in advance.
Darren will be doing the ADC as normal as he did Saturday.
We will again have a presence on the platform as we did Saturday.
We will also have a presence on the car park prior to kick off as normal.

Likewise, our main concern and priority is the fans that rely on these services being in place on a match day. At times, it's only the dependency of our service users and the difference we make to people's day/life that keeps us going, and I don't doubt for a second that this is often the case in your voluntary role as DLO also.
I can't stress enough that any decision by our committee is never taken lightly, and the decision for some of us to stand down from our duties was done so with very heavy hearts.

Darren's personal choice/decision to continue by running the ADC and platform was met with blessing and praise from the committee, giving admiration and respect for his integrity and humility.

I fully understand the need of knowing our current position, in order to make sufficient other arrangements in good time.
However, I am disappointed that no mention of trying to resolve the issue or make progressive steps such as a group meeting as I suggested last Friday has been made.

Just an enquiry as to will you/won't you?

I hope I have answered everything required.”

So why was my reply was sent on behalf of Wrexham DSA an hour late and subsequently missed the 12 midday deadline? Like many club volunteers, I work full-time. I had planned to send the email prior to the 12pm deadline. Unfortunately due to professional commitments I was unable to full-fill this duty on time, instead sending at the first available opportunity, notifying my fellow committee members that it had been submitted 1 hour late.

Notification of being relieved of platform duties

“Thanks for your reply Andy.

Unfortunately as the DSA did not reply until after the 12pm deadline, which was required by us, Wrexham AFC had no alternative but to ensure the services were available for some of our most vulnerable of supporters.

As such, the DSA presence will not be required on the platform for Tuesday evening at Wrexham AFC and for the remainder of the season. Our disabled supporters rely on the provision of services and we have to ensure they continue to receive a high quality service without the potential for any possible disruption as it really makes a difference to their match day experience.

Wrexham AFC will continue to strive for excellence with regards to inclusion and diversity as anyone would expect as a minimum. This has been a difficult decision to take by Wrexham AFC but we must ensure the services for some of our most vulnerable supporters are never placed in jeopardy and taking these services in house is the most sensible solution at this time. Wrexham AFC will strive to improve on the services currently offered which I am sure you would welcome.

I would like to add our gratitude to Darren for facilitating the ADC on Saturday. The continuation of this service is a high priority for Wrexham AFC and if you can commit and guarantee to providing the service you would be welcomed to do so on behalf of the football club. Should you be unable to guarantee providing the service to our supporters who gain an enhanced match day service, Wrexham AFC will have no option other than to source alternative arrangements. Feedback from the supporters who use the ADC has been so positive, we know how much they value the service and will take all steps necessary to ensure its continuation.

With regards to any meeting, Wrexham AFC were unaware of any issue until the request one made by the DSA for tickets and pitch presentation for the St Mirren Colts game, unfortunately this was unable to be facilitated. Alternative arrangements were offered for the allies in access group to attend the ground on a non match day to have a pitch side presentation but we have not heard back regarding the offer which still stands. Should you wish to email a request with an agenda for items you wish to discuss at a meeting we would look to meet you at a convenient time and date in the near future.

Wrexham AFC would like to thank you for your past presence on the viewing platform and hope we can continue working together in providing services to some of our most vulnerable supporters in the future."

Issued jointly by: Wrexham AFC Operations and Wrexham Supporters Trust Governing Body.

The above email from Wrexham AFC was received on the evening of Sunday 6th October relieving us of our platform duties.
Wrexham DSA recognise that our response to Wrexham AFC’s email was 1 hour past the deadline set by the club, and as a result contingency plans may have been needed to be made in that hour from a logistical point of view to ensure Tuesday’s fixture went ahead without affecting the fans who depend on the services we provide.

However, we see it unreasonable to have terminated our match day presence with immediate effect for the remainder of the season, without entering any further dialogue given that we have given so much valuable time and dedication for so many years, enhancing the name of Wrexham AFC amongst its footballing peers, and recognition at the highest level in the Houses of Parliament as “Exemplars of best practice”.

We have been criticised by some quarters for not keeping this in house. Up until the point of Sunday’s email all of the above mentioned had been kept in house for what for us was a resolvable issue.

Thanks to anyone who has had the patience to read this in full before drawing to their own conclusion.

Andy Pierce, Wrexham DSA co-chair.

NedStarksGhost 7th October 2019 22.10:24

Re: Statement responding to 'social media storm' "Regarding Wrexham DSA & Viewing Platform"
 
Absolutely disgraceful from the club. Have no reason to doubt the DSA on this. Can't believe the club have tried to spin this against the DSA. And the cheek of them to terminate their requirements over a one hour deadline from volunteers? Absolutely mental.

Answer Release 7th October 2019 22.18:07

Re: Statement responding to 'social media storm' "Regarding Wrexham DSA & Viewing Platform"
 
[QUOTE=NedStarksGhost;2305394]Absolutely disgraceful from the club. Have no reason to doubt the DSA on this. Can't believe the club have tried to spin this against the DSA. And the cheek of them to terminate their requirements over a one hour deadline from volunteers? Absolutely mental.[/QUOTE]

And what measures did they put in place between 12-1.....probably none.

Disgusting behaviour from the board. Get them out.

NedStarksGhost 7th October 2019 22.19:33

Re: Statement responding to 'social media storm' "Regarding Wrexham DSA & Viewing Platform"
 
[QUOTE=Answer Release;2305396]And what measures did they put in place between 12-1.....probably none.

Disgusting behaviour from the board. Get them out.[/QUOTE]

Indeed! I could forgive them putting measures in place for one match. But to do so for the rest of the season over an email sent an hour late just seems like they desperately wanted a reason to cut ties.

fezbob 7th October 2019 22.20:38

[QUOTE=NedStarksGhost;2305397]Indeed! I could forgive them putting measures in place for one match. But to do so for the rest of the season over an email sent an hour late just seems like they desperately wanted a reason to cut ties.[/QUOTE]

It's difficult to view it any other way unfortunately.
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Funny_Old_Game 7th October 2019 22.24:21

Re: Statement responding to 'social media storm' "Regarding Wrexham DSA & Viewing Platform"
 
What’s with all this email nonsense. Pick the phone up and behave like grown ups.

Seems to me like the DSA have deliberately sent the email late to show that they won’t be dictated to etc and then the people in charge of the club have acted like children yet again.

awaydays 7th October 2019 22.25:00

Re: Statement responding to 'social media storm' "Regarding Wrexham DSA & Viewing Platform"
 
Simple really, the MRS chants of sack the board against Ebbsfleet should continue Tuesday night. Please gather in the MRS and continue the protests

Rob 7th October 2019 22.28:42

Re: Monday Statement from DSA
 
Moved this to own thread an labelled accordingly.

Rob 7th October 2019 22.32:38

Re: Monday Statement from DSA
 
Appears source is the DSA's facebook page that has a public post [url]https://www.facebook.com/1401998610018091/posts/2393231217561487/[/url]

ruthinred 7th October 2019 22.33:59

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Im not really privy to the rights and wrongs of this debate, im sure both sides mean well

I do however remember being forced to leave my season tkt seat in the MRS of 15 years without so much as a thank you from the DSA


Two sides to every story

Dougie Davies 7th October 2019 22.34:39

Re: Monday Statement from DSA
 
Shocking from the board. Absolutely disgraceful.

GiggityGiggityGiggityGoo 7th October 2019 22.38:56

Re: Statement responding to 'social media storm' "Regarding Wrexham DSA & Viewing Platform"
 
[QUOTE=Funny_Old_Game;2305400]What’s with all this email nonsense. Pick the phone up and behave like grown ups.

Seems to me like the DSA have deliberately sent the email late to show that they won’t be dictated to etc and then the people in charge of the club have acted like children yet again.[/QUOTE]


It's how they operate, key members of the club are in constant email contact at minimum due to them being volunteers.

Just adds to the calls for someone full time.

Cenotaff 7th October 2019 23.26:35

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[QUOTE=ruthinred;2305406]Im not really privy to the rights and wrongs of this debate, im sure both sides mean well

I do however remember being forced to leave my season tkt seat in the MRS of 15 years without so much as a thank you from the DSA


Two sides to every story[/QUOTE]

I think that says more about you than them to be honest.

El Jonez 7th October 2019 23.59:59

Re: Monday Statement from DSA
 
[QUOTE=ruthinred;2305406]Im not really privy to the rights and wrongs of this debate, im sure both sides mean well

I do however remember being forced to leave my season tkt seat in the MRS of 15 years without so much as a thank you from the DSA


Two sides to every story[/QUOTE]

Along with you and many others, I also gave up my season ticket to make way for the disabled platform.

My dad also gave his up, and now benefits from the excellent ADC service the DSA provide.

#goodkarma

chef1 8th October 2019 00.16:10

Re: Monday Statement from DSA
 
Your moaning you had to give a seat up to accommodate a disabled platform ... wow

The Only Way Is Up 8th October 2019 03.50:19

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[QUOTE=chef1;2305429]Your moaning you had to give a seat up to accommodate a disabled platform ... wow[/QUOTE]

No he's not moaning about that. He's merely pointing out the alleged lack of grace with which the DSA handled his particular situation.

It is symptomatic of some of this forum's members that comments are twisted to suit the biased views being promoted, whether it is this particular issue, the fans v. the WST, or the fans v. the Club Board.

It is true that no matter what anyone posts here, there are others who seem determined to find fault, and this escalates the current breakdown in communications and respect between the parties concerned.

It needs to stop. Now.

If it doesn't, then those who support one viewpoint or the other will destroy any possibility of the hard working volunteers on BOTH sides of the wall that's been built by them getting back together to pull in the same direction, and that direction is to achieve everything that can be expected of our once-great club. Start behaving like adults please!!!

If you don't, then everybody loses out.

pagl 8th October 2019 03.58:40

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Seems to me the club want to distance themselves from DSA.

That way all issues re 2nd disabled platform disappear.

Puts a question on my attendance for Bromley home game though.

rexham 8th October 2019 05.45:12

Re: Monday Statement from DSA
 
[QUOTE=ruthinred;2305406]Im not really privy to the rights and wrongs of this debate, im sure both sides mean well

I do however remember being forced to leave my season tkt seat in the MRS of 15 years without so much as a thank you from the DSA


Two sides to every story[/QUOTE]

Same happened to me - I was disappointed, I got over it. The real issue with that whole saga was the way the club handled it - no advance publicity just a very poorly planned set of phone calls with scant information. Basically a shambles..sound familiar?

noisy1 8th October 2019 06.32:48

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This is pathetic really, instead of hanging out your dirty washing in public. Stop the the bickering and get in a room together and work out your issues amicably.

The club representatives are behaving disgustingly by making this such an issue, why not allow the presentation and further more, why not give the complimentary tickets? Would that really have been so difficult to do?

It also seems to me that the DSA have let down the people they are there to serve by not ensuring that email was sent in time. So not completely blameless.

Everyone involved needs to take a step back, calm down and swallow some pride then start talking not emailing FFS!

WrexhamO 8th October 2019 07.13:33

Re: Statement responding to 'social media storm' "Regarding Wrexham DSA & Viewing Platform"
 
[QUOTE=Funny_Old_Game;2305400]What’s with all this email nonsense. Pick the phone up and behave like grown ups.

Seems to me like the DSA have deliberately sent the email late to show that they won’t be dictated to etc and then the people in charge of the club have acted like children yet again.[/QUOTE]

As Andy said, he wanted to post it on his 11.00am work break, but a break down occurred preventing him doing so.

Ryans the man 8th October 2019 07.22:21

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Come on both parties - you are acting on behalf of all our fans. Please act like adults, get together and iron out the issues and find a way to move on.

Foxy 8th October 2019 07.23:23

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If Wrexham's disabled supporters are non WFC related and not allowed to use the Racecourse to celebrate their success:

- how come Gareth Evans was allowed to do a lap of honour on the ground to show off his Commonwealth gold ?

- how come nationalist and far left political banners are allowed to be flown on the kop ?

NedStarksGhost 8th October 2019 07.37:31

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[QUOTE=Foxy;2305473]If Wrexham's disabled supporters are non WFC related and not allowed to use the Racecourse to celebrate their success:

- how come Gareth Evans was allowed to do a lap of honour on the ground to show off his Commonwealth gold ?

- how come nationalist and far left political banners are allowed to be flown on the kop ?[/QUOTE]

It's pretty obvious the club just didn't want the DSA involved. It's pathetic how the club have acted. The club is meant to be a professional outfit and they have acted like petulant children.

Really don't feel a connection with the club anymore. The board and the WST and their dictatorship like hold on the club really has gone too far.

WrexhamO 8th October 2019 07.44:59

Re: Monday Statement from DSA
 
[QUOTE=ruthinred;2305406]Im not really privy to the rights and wrongs of this debate, im sure both sides mean well

I do however remember being forced to leave my season tkt seat in the MRS of 15 years without so much as a thank you from the DSA


Two sides to every story[/QUOTE]

We never had details of who moved. I told the club I would speak personally to every person who moved if they wanted me to.
We only had one person contact us. The guy was terminally ill but had still renewed his season ticket. In the event he was present on the platform for the opening game on there. And that was his last game.
From memory we publicly thanked everyone who gave up their seats and we are forever thankful.

ruthinred 8th October 2019 07.49:55

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Just get round a table and thrash it out ffs

2 priorities the club should have now,,

Getting up the table under Dean Keates

Seeking external investment by selling shares

eastsussexred 8th October 2019 08.04:36

Re: Monday Statement from DSA
 
Isn’t all of this just symptomatic of the issues that arise with fan ownership?
I am no longer a wst member and so I don’t have any deeper knowledge, but simply from observation, it seems that while we languish just above the relegation zone of the fifth tier of football, the club itself appears to be imploding as the different factions within the fan base all pull in different directions, for different reasons.
The ownership model appears to mean so many different things across the spectrum of the fan base, but ultimately, if the current board were to step down, then who will step in to take over, and more importantly (imo) in what direction will the club then pull?
It just seems that it is time for a bit of humility, a compromise from [B]all sides [/B]to bring this latest issue to a mutually agreeable conclusion for the benefit of the club as a whole. Compromise, evolve and move forward.

crazywelsh 8th October 2019 10.42:48

Re: Monday Statement from DSA
 
[QUOTE=ruthinred;2305487]Just get round a table and thrash it out ffs

2 priorities the club should have now,,

Getting up the table under Dean Keates

Seeking external investment by selling shares[/QUOTE]

Nobody will give money for shares to work with people who input no capital.

End of its selling 100% or selling 80% keeping a small fan representation, these idiots have proven they do not have the required skills.

Would you trust them with your own personal wealth that’s what you should ask yourself when thinking of an investor or would you prefer to make your mistakes with your own capital?

Burgerboy 8th October 2019 11.10:57

Re: Monday Statement from DSA
 
Can't both sides just get together and sort out their problems? You know, privately? Happy to mediate if necessary.

techender 8th October 2019 11.44:11

Re: Monday Statement from DSA
 
The relationship between the club and the DSA has been at a low ebb for some time. The club appear to have scored a massive own goal here, but I also think the DSA have been quite happy to allow them to as well.

Time to sit down and thrash these issues out face to face instead of just issuing these silly statements throwing mud at each other.

WrexhamO 8th October 2019 13.18:44

Re: Monday Statement from DSA
 
[QUOTE=techender;2305680]The relationship between the club and the DSA has been at a low ebb for some time. The club appear to have scored a massive own goal here, but I also think the DSA have been quite happy to allow them to as well.

Time to sit down and thrash these issues out face to face instead of just issuing these silly statements throwing mud at each other.[/QUOTE]


Why the hell would we be happy with that?

I cant believe anybody thinks any one of us is happy or enjoying this.

dlrwrexham 8th October 2019 13.29:32

Re: Monday Statement from DSA
 
[QUOTE=Ryans the man;2305472]Come on both parties - you are acting on behalf of all our fans. Please act like adults, get together and iron out the issues and find a way to move on.[/QUOTE]

Thanks. Your patronising advice has been duly noted.

Wxm boy 8th October 2019 13.35:18

Re: Monday Statement from DSA
 
I think the board are probably still irked by the DSAs successful resolution on a second platform that they've spent 2 years ignoring.

If you challenge the almighty, expect to be frozen out it seems.

Phils-an-alki 8th October 2019 13.37:34

Re: Monday Statement from DSA
 
[QUOTE=Wxm boy;2305766]I think the board are probably still irked by the DSAs successful resolution on a second platform that they've spent 2 years ignoring.

If you challenge the almighty, expect to be frozen out it seems.[/QUOTE]

Well said.


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