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Old 4th November 2019, 22.28:52   #82-0 (permalink)
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Fans treated with respect not with 'we know better than you so leave us to it.'
If there ever was a fans owned club which does not feel like a fans owned club it is Wrexham.
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Old 4th November 2019, 22.47:40   #83-0 (permalink)
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Change to what?
A few ways in which changing some of the board members may help. (Clearly not guaranteed to work, but presumably if there was no point in ever changing personnel, we'd have stuck with Bryan Hughes!)

We could get people without a track record of abysmal appointments when bringing in managers, given that the vast majority of people saw Andy Davies, Graham Barrow, Bryan Hughes and Dean Keates (2nd time around) as ridiculous risks.

We could get people who are better at communicating with members and others, avoiding repeats of the social media storm caused by their treatment of the DSA, or the bad feeling caused by the Manny Smith new contract not being revealed at the time he signed it for reasons known only to them.

We could get people who are more willing to see the Trust as a real democracy, rather than giving the impression that they're trying to avoid following a resolution passed at an AGM, which has been the case since the 2nd platform resolution was overwhelmingly passed despite their opposition.

We could get people who are more willing to listen to advice rather than thinking that the board themselves have all the skills needed to succeed even when our league position suggests that isn't the case.

We could get people who are willing to take a long hard look at the coaching side of things, and potentially bring in a coach who would actually improve players.

We could get people who appear more open to taking on board criticism, rather than the attitude certain board members have of banning fans who criticise their decisions from forums they moderate (or moderated; is John Mills still a mod over at SO78?)
Old 5th November 2019, 08.00:20   #84-0 (permalink)
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A few ways in which changing some of the board members may help. (Clearly not guaranteed to work, but presumably if there was no point in ever changing personnel, we'd have stuck with Bryan Hughes!)

We could get people without a track record of abysmal appointments when bringing in managers, given that the vast majority of people saw Andy Davies, Graham Barrow, Bryan Hughes and Dean Keates (2nd time around) as ridiculous risks.

We could get people who are better at communicating with members and others, avoiding repeats of the social media storm caused by their treatment of the DSA, or the bad feeling caused by the Manny Smith new contract not being revealed at the time he signed it for reasons known only to them.

We could get people who are more willing to see the Trust as a real democracy, rather than giving the impression that they're trying to avoid following a resolution passed at an AGM, which has been the case since the 2nd platform resolution was overwhelmingly passed despite their opposition.

We could get people who are more willing to listen to advice rather than thinking that the board themselves have all the skills needed to succeed even when our league position suggests that isn't the case.

We could get people who are willing to take a long hard look at the coaching side of things, and potentially bring in a coach who would actually improve players.

We could get people who appear more open to taking on board criticism, rather than the attitude certain board members have of banning fans who criticise their decisions from forums they moderate (or moderated; is John Mills still a mod over at SO78?)
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Old 5th November 2019, 10.35:07   #85-0 (permalink)
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A few ways in which changing some of the board members may help. (Clearly not guaranteed to work, but presumably if there was no point in ever changing personnel, we'd have stuck with Bryan Hughes!)

We could get people without a track record of abysmal appointments when bringing in managers, given that the vast majority of people saw Andy Davies, Graham Barrow, Bryan Hughes and Dean Keates (2nd time around) as ridiculous risks.

We could get people who are better at communicating with members and others, avoiding repeats of the social media storm caused by their treatment of the DSA, or the bad feeling caused by the Manny Smith new contract not being revealed at the time he signed it for reasons known only to them.

We could get people who are more willing to see the Trust as a real democracy, rather than giving the impression that they're trying to avoid following a resolution passed at an AGM, which has been the case since the 2nd platform resolution was overwhelmingly passed despite their opposition.

We could get people who are more willing to listen to advice rather than thinking that the board themselves have all the skills needed to succeed even when our league position suggests that isn't the case.

We could get people who are willing to take a long hard look at the coaching side of things, and potentially bring in a coach who would actually improve players.

We could get people who appear more open to taking on board criticism, rather than the attitude certain board members have of banning fans who criticise their decisions from forums they moderate (or moderated; is John Mills still a mod over at SO78?)
Good post.
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I think it's also important to get new board members in so we can scream it to the footballing world.

Clearly the calibre of managers that apply for the Wrexham job is decreasing rapidly. Spencer stated in the members meeting that Graham Barrow got the job after stating he didn't want it because he said that "He could do a better job than those that were shortlisted" This is a bloke that first of all didn't want to be a manager, hadn't been one for 14 years previously and only achieved one season of success, back in 1994. This is also ignoring the absolute embarrasement just a few months previously by giving the managers job to an assistant manager in Andy Davies.

Then we hired Bryan Hughes who struggled and got sacked at Scarborough and then became a footgolf manager. The standard of applicants must have been dire for him to get the job.

The hiring Keates who a huge section of the fans didn't want, I can only assume the calibre of applicants was also dire to welcome him back. It was also stated that 20 people had applied, compare that to previous years where I'm sure it's been stated that hundreds had applied.

The club is a basketcase and the footballing world knows it. We need to freshen up the board and then scream about it. Kind of like a failing restaruant that screams "UNDER NEW OWNERSHIP" to try and get back on track
Old 5th November 2019, 16.18:38   #87-0 (permalink)
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I think it's also important to get new board members in so we can scream it to the footballing world.

Clearly the calibre of managers that apply for the Wrexham job is decreasing rapidly. Spencer stated in the members meeting that Graham Barrow got the job after stating he didn't want it because he said that "He could do a better job than those that were shortlisted" This is a bloke that first of all didn't want to be a manager, hadn't been one for 14 years previously and only achieved one season of success, back in 1994. This is also ignoring the absolute embarrasement just a few months previously by giving the managers job to an assistant manager in Andy Davies.

Then we hired Bryan Hughes who struggled and got sacked at Scarborough and then became a footgolf manager. The standard of applicants must have been dire for him to get the job.

The hiring Keates who a huge section of the fans didn't want, I can only assume the calibre of applicants was also dire to welcome him back. It was also stated that 20 people had applied, compare that to previous years where I'm sure it's been stated that hundreds had applied.

The club is a basketcase and the footballing world knows it. We need to freshen up the board and then scream about it. Kind of like a failing restaruant that screams "UNDER NEW OWNERSHIP" to try and get back on track
I dont agree with alot of the anti-Keates stuff that you have brought up previous but I think alot of that is fair. Appointment of Hughes was the most bizzare, at the time you could sort of understand Davies/Barrow because they wanted to keep the ball rolling (although in hindsight looking at the Davies appointment they shouldnt have touched Barrow with a bargepole.)

Keates (to me) looked a reasonably sane option, however as you say it did appear as if it was always going to be him and we had no other reasonable options.

We are a basketcase of a club. Going round in circles at the moment.
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It comes down to working with Darlington IMO. The board said that those who took the job on, were all happy to keep his services. Most probably because it was a take it or leave it choice.

Darlington stays, do you still want the job?

That would be enough to make the more experienced applicants turn away.
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I think it's also important to get new board members in so we can scream it to the footballing world.

Clearly the calibre of managers that apply for the Wrexham job is decreasing rapidly. Spencer stated in the members meeting that Graham Barrow got the job after stating he didn't want it because he said that "He could do a better job than those that were shortlisted" This is a bloke that first of all didn't want to be a manager, hadn't been one for 14 years previously and only achieved one season of success, back in 1994. This is also ignoring the absolute embarrasement just a few months previously by giving the managers job to an assistant manager in Andy Davies.

Then we hired Bryan Hughes who struggled and got sacked at Scarborough and then became a footgolf manager. The standard of applicants must have been dire for him to get the job.

The hiring Keates who a huge section of the fans didn't want, I can only assume the calibre of applicants was also dire to welcome him back. It was also stated that 20 people had applied, compare that to previous years where I'm sure it's been stated that hundreds had applied.

The club is a basketcase and the footballing world knows it. We need to freshen up the board and then scream about it. Kind of like a failing restaruant that screams "UNDER NEW OWNERSHIP" to try and get back on track
A good point made regarding the probable view of our club held by any potential manager applicants.

The message appears to be you have no real chance unless you have either some existing connection to the club, or are a young manager with no previous experience of management, the boards preference for young inexperienced managers was reinforced by SH at the recent meeting, being backed up by his points gained statistics.

There is in most probability a view of us as a club from experienced managers that they should not put themselves through the embarrassment of applying only to find the job given to completely inexperienced footgolf coaches. How to change this view?.
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It comes down to working with Darlington IMO. The board said that those who took the job on, were all happy to keep his services. Most probably because it was a take it or leave it choice.

Darlington stays, do you still want the job?

That would be enough to make the more experienced applicants turn away.
Throw in the shite salary on offer and this pretty much sums us up.

Has anyone ever wondered why the Slops were able to allegedly triple Ricketts salary? They aren't Sunderland or some fallen giant of a club.
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