Would you support the sale of Wrexham AFC?

[-luke]

Originally Posted by simon4012

Why are they worse than Moss n Hamilton? Surely incompetence is not as bad as intentionally asset stripping for your own financial game. Vent your anger however you like but don't talk utter shiiite.

Inclined to agree with you... Its worse now though because of the divided fan base. Before, we could all see what was happening and stood mostly united. Now the people who oushed for change are protecting their legacy. Need to move with the times.

[Jaded]

Originally Posted by simon4012

Why are they worse than Moss n Hamilton? Surely incompetence is not as bad as intentionally asset stripping for your own financial game. Vent your anger however you like but don't talk utter shiiite.

Originally Posted by dixienormous

They’ve taken the club to its lowest ever position.
Our youth system is a disaster.
We train on a park field.
They’ve made no attempt to restructure the club.
They’ve made it clear they don’t want any outside investment, clearly holding on to power for themselves, with no intention of stepping down it seems.
The fanbase is divided more than it’s ever been.


There’s asset stripping and there’s unintentionally killing the club and still holding on. Not much in it.

Originally Posted by -luke

Inclined to agree with you... Its worse now though because of the divided fan base. Before, we could all see what was happening and stood mostly united. Now the people who oushed for change are protecting their legacy. Need to move with the times.

I don’t think they’re worse; I do think the outcomes have been worse and that the complete division of the fan base is leaving me incredibly worried about the future.

[-luke]

Originally Posted by Jaded

I don’t think they’re worse; I do think the outcomes have been worse and that the complete division of the fan base is leaving me incredibly worried about the future.

Agree, the outcomes and scenario seem more dire now.

[simon4012]

The biggest gripe is we are shiiite. Clearly a good manager gets better results. I didn't hear too many moans about the ownership model when ricketts had us playing well. People want to see us play half decent football and chase promotion. Absolute madness in management choice has been the issue for me, not the ownership model.

[joe]

Originally Posted by dixienormous

Ask yourselves what 100% fan ownership has achieved? Yep, nothing, nothing at all, apart from continuous failure. Imagine if we hadn’t had any cash windfalls during that time? It’s failed, we’re bottom of the conference training on a park field. The club is in complete disarray and these clowns continue to hold on to power. It’s a disgrace and they’re worst than Moss and Hamilton. I really Hope life is made very uncomfortable for the board on Sat because they’re an absolute disgrace. Anyone who thinks they have a right to stop me venting my anger, without personal abuse can kiss my arse.

I’ve said this about the windfalls. They got lucky with the football team and some youngsters they inherited - Cup run, Wembley, player sales all off the spine of a team under a different regime. Imagine they inherited a mid table side with no youth prospects.

[-luke]

Originally Posted by joe

I’ve said this about the windfalls. They got lucky with the football team and some youngsters they inherited - Cup run, Wembley, player sales all off the spine of a team under a different regime. Imagine they inherited a mid table side with no youth prospects.

A lot of those revenue streams have now been turned off. Think a fair bit of credit was taken by the board for raising some of those lucky pots of cash. Not doubting the effort that went into the initial steadying of the ship but the make up of both boards very different during the most successful days of current model.

Be interesting to see the dynamic between club amd trust board. Feels like the tail wagging the dog at times.

[eosceiriog]

Originally Posted by Ruabon Red

Exactly. The first task is to get to a position where making a change is achievable within the current constitution.

It would be interesting to see - in light of the worsened league position and greater publicity as a result - the response to a new properly formulated and considered call for an EGM.

I agree. I am not rubbishing views on what did or did not happen in the past, if the budget was increased or not, etc but we really do need to focus on what is achievable in the here and now.

I see an EGM as the only practical way forward but if there are any better ideas I'd like to hear them.

Protest if you like but I think the board will feel with some justification (to themselves at least) they can withstand that pressure. Their failure to properly engage has shown us that time and time again. I think they will attempt to weaponise protests to portray the protesters in a bad light.

If we are going to fight, as PG says on another thread, then we need to make sure we are not going to lose. Cunning is needed not crude confrontation.

EGM back on the agenda ASAP ?

[dragonspark]

as much as i do not want to become a member and detest the politicisation (if thats a real word) of our football club, i am prepared to become a member in order to vote for egm and to vote for thye club or the majority of the club being sold to a decent business person.
the majority of SUCCESSFUL businesses and football clubs are run by a certain type of person, they are successful people, usually with a ruthless streak but good at organising and creating profits and motivating individuals.
Be honest now would any of the board/trust directors, be director of a football club if the had not usurped control pf the club and then used dubious means to remain and to have like minded people voted alongside them, would any of our directors be a director of a successful business, the answer to those two questions is why we have had a gradual demise, the "successes" we have seen are minimal to that of other league clubs who have made the drop into non league and then passed us by on the way back to the league in a fraction of the time, and they have done so with successful business people at the helm, if our board/wst want to regain any respect from individuals such as myself and many others then they should approach suitable successful business people with a view to taking control

[krux]

Originally Posted by simon4012

The biggest gripe is we are shiiite. Clearly a good manager gets better results. I didn't hear too many moans about the ownership model when ricketts had us playing well. People want to see us play half decent football and chase promotion. Absolute madness in management choice has been the issue for me, not the ownership model.

The ownership model made those decisions though e.g. appoint Hughes for sentimental reasons.

Plus it has been proved for many seasons that the ownership model does not give us enough money to consistently compete at the top end of this league.