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Old 30th November 2019, 17.49:21   #1-0 (permalink)
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I like everyone else am absolutely gutted about the current position we are in...

It is is truly depressing as I cant seem to see a way out of the current position....

I am however concerned about the fact that quite a bit of discussion on here is about selling the club and blaming the Trust ownership model as being the core of the problem....

Equally there are those that seem to want to blame the existing Board - effectively the current Leadership whom it is clear have lost the trust of a significant majority of the fans....

For me the first is about money and the second is about the capability of people......The two might be intertwined - but it would seem that the best solution to move forward would be to find any genuine Leaders (as some have suggested Don was in the past) that would be be happy to commit the necessary time, effort and energy to Lead the club under the existing model.

Of course this means working for no payment (as things stand) and that the existing incumbents would stand aside and let these individuals take over.

Is there anyone who could filll such a position? Any Local business people such as Don who have the time and desire to fill this role?

If not we are left in a position where we will need to take the risk of 'selling' our club to an individual or group who will do so motivated by profit - and that means they will want to sell it on after they have sorted it out to someone else - or else there is no other way to get a pay back.

The sell the club option seems fraught with massive risk to me - mind you having said that the way things are it feels like we have noting left to lose!
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What have we now got left to lose. Our only asset is a long lease on a piece of so called prime real estate. However this asset becomes a millstone if we can't pay for it when we are relegated.
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CosmicCol, arenít you an ex-board member and mates with the top table? Will you still defend them when we are relegated?
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CosmicCol, arenít you an ex-board member and mates with the top table? Will you still defend them when we are relegated?
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I don't know how you can see my post as defending anyone - it is merely stating the dilemma that we have got ourselves into
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Club needs to be put up for sale.

Its no longer a discussion point. There is no dilemma.
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I agree with most of your comments but where the current board have succeeded is in managing our finances and see that as their main objective. What that they have not been able to do is manage the business , in this case a football club. To do so we need a business leader or leaders and football leaders both on and off the pitch. I also firmly believe no business can be run by committee and the business leader and any one else involved in management must be accountable to a Chairman. I believe local business leaders with the clubs interests at heart do exist but the current board are not either recognising the need or are being protective of their own positions. I also believe outside investment is available should we invite such action. As fans of this once great football club all fans need to unite and do whatever is necessary to at least maintain our presence in our current league and hopefully build a business/football model that can be built upon in seasons to come. This includes our current boards, both club and trust, who I believe are all supporters of our club. If they have cannot perform they need to change. This is not a time for mass resignations without alternatives being planned or in place.
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There is a further issue to be considered regarding the board of a fans owned club, the directors have no personal financial exposure to the club's fortune unlike a club's owner. It's like playing monopoly as opposed to buying property in the real world, it's not their money, if the club fails they personally won't suffer. That has to have an influence on their decisions and is where the personalities of the board are an important factor.

Additionally, and this is a generalisation but a valid one, a club owner is driven by an , ambition for the club, success for the club reflects well on him/ her and his/ her ego. I don't believe that a board of fans can share this ambition to the same degree.

There can be boards of fans owned clubs who are geared for success but Wrexham do not have one at present.
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Of course this means working for no payment (as things stand) and that the existing incumbents would stand aside and let these individuals take over.
Col, why do you think there's any chance of this happening? It was stated by board members at the recent meeting that they had all the knowledge required and they didn't need any new blood. John Mills said on Twitter last week (although he seems to have now deleted it) that he was jealous of future fans who'd see Wrexham back in the league and more successful than they'd ever previously been.

Do these sound like people ready to step aside?!
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I agree with most of your comments but where the current board have succeeded is in managing our finances and see that as their main objective. What that they have not been able to do is manage the business , in this case a football club. To do so we need a business leader or leaders and football leaders both on and off the pitch. I also firmly believe no business can be run by committee and the business leader and any one else involved in management must be accountable to a Chairman. I believe local business leaders with the clubs interests at heart do exist but the current board are not either recognising the need or are being protective of their own positions. I also believe outside investment is available should we invite such action. As fans of this once great football club all fans need to unite and do whatever is necessary to at least maintain our presence in our current league and hopefully build a business/football model that can be built upon in seasons to come. This includes our current boards, both club and trust, who I believe are all supporters of our club. If they have cannot perform they need to change. This is not a time for mass resignations without alternatives being planned or in place.
Agree. We need a new WST Chairman who runs the club and kicks arse. He must be accountable to the WST members. This has never happened in the 8 year the WST has run the club. Those chickens have now come home to roost.

We will see how big a fan these people are. If they continue to insist that they are the solution, then there is little or no hope.
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