Brilliant summary of the Board's failings.

[Phils-an-alki]

STILL no one can answer Jaded's questions/points.

Speaks volumes. Pose some cutting no bullsh!t questions and they all run scared.

[wrexhamandy]

Originally Posted by dixienormous

I would say anyone who's still blinded by the community ownership bollocks are not supporters of Wrexham football club anymore, sorry you're not, just look at the football over the last seven years and look where we are now. Times up, and if you cared about the football club you'd get your head out of your ideological arses and realise what's important, move aside for god sake so we can all concentrate on the football club.

I don’t think just because we’ve had bad managent decisions by the board(s) recently that the whole ownership model needs to change to private ownership. The decisions could have been made in that model, and indeed the same board members could be managing the club in private ownership too!

For me it’s keep the ownership but change the management.

[Huffy]

Originally Posted by wrexhamandy

I don’t think just because we’ve had bad managent decisions by the board(s) recently that the whole ownership model needs to change to private ownership. The decisions could have been made in that model, and indeed the same board members could be managing the club in private ownership too!

For me it’s keep the ownership but change the management.

Exactly

[Phils-an-alki]

Originally Posted by wrexhamandy

I don’t think just because we’ve had bad managent decisions by the board(s) recently that the whole ownership model needs to change to private ownership. The decisions could have been made in that model, and indeed the same board members could be managing the club in private ownership too!

For me it’s keep the ownership but change the management.

And if the management (by this I take it you mean Club & WST boards) won't change and won't budge, what then? We're already on that page btw.

[techender]

Originally Posted by wrexhamandy

I don’t think just because we’ve had bad managent decisions by the board(s) recently that the whole ownership model needs to change to private ownership. The decisions could have been made in that model, and indeed the same board members could be managing the club in private ownership too!

For me it’s keep the ownership but change the management.

I don't necessarily agree with 100% private ownership, but I'm not convinced by your argument above either.

If a private owner had taken the number of poor decisions our current board have done, and as a result saw gates drop as they have and revenue streams dry up, his concern would be heightened by the fact he was damaging his own investment thereby increasing his motivation to make corrections and sort the matter out.

That's the key difference. The current board are not managing their own investment, and that shows in the condescending and arrogant manner in which they seem unwilling or unable to recognise and accept mistakes

[crazywelsh]

Originally Posted by wrexhamandy

I don’t think just because we’ve had bad managent decisions by the board(s) recently that the whole ownership model needs to change to private ownership. The decisions could have been made in that model, and indeed the same board members could be managing the club in private ownership too!

For me it’s keep the ownership but change the management.

Nobody using their own money would of let the mistakes happen year on year FACT!

[dragonspark]

quite accurate techender, it seems the only thing that can affect the current boards or whatever is embarrassment of failing or at least to be seen as failing, perhaps that is why they will not relent control, many think it is ego perhaps it is a bit of everything, in the meantime our football club fails, something must happen, my preference is private ownership with a fans presence on a board headed by a proven businessperson, il probably be shot for that but thats just my opinion, i honestly think the fan owned model has failed and will again with new directors who are from the general fan base with no business experience, let us hope something can change quickly

[Jaded]

Originally Posted by wrexhamandy

I don’t think just because we’ve had bad managent decisions by the board(s) recently that the whole ownership model needs to change to private ownership. The decisions could have been made in that model, and indeed the same board members could be managing the club in private ownership too!

For me it’s keep the ownership but change the management.

Originally Posted by Phils-an-alki

And if the management (by this I take it you mean Club & WST boards) won't change and won't budge, what then? We're already on that page btw.

Originally Posted by techender

I don't necessarily agree with 100% private ownership, but I'm not convinced by your argument above either.

If a private owner had taken the number of poor decisions our current board have done, and as a result saw gates drop as they have and revenue streams dry up, his concern would be heightened by the fact he was damaging his own investment thereby increasing his motivation to make corrections and sort the matter out.

That's the key difference. The current board are not managing their own investment, and that shows in the condescending and arrogant manner in which they seem unwilling or unable to recognise and accept mistakes

I think there are some really good points raised above. In general, I would prefer fan ownership to private ownership, but as Phil points out we appear to be at a place where changing the boards is a near-impossibility. I also agree with techender that the lack of their own investment may have lessened the current board's ability and willingness to recognise mistakes they're making (because SOMETHING seems to have and I'm not really sure what else it could be!)

[wrexhamandy]

Originally Posted by Phils-an-alki

And if the management (by this I take it you mean Club & WST boards) won't change and won't budge, what then? We're already on that page btw.

Can we vote them out? (Which we wouldn’t be able to do in private ownership)

Interesting points made re better management if someone is protecting their own investment. I’m not so sure that would be the case in practice, mistakes will still be made, although I take the point if you have skin in the game the stakes will be higher on your decisions, though also conversely you just end up adding another area of risk there of decisions being made to protect the investment and not for the long term good of the football club.

Just my views. At least we all agree the management should change