Serious Question Guys

[dixienormous]

Originally Posted by Hightown Brymbo Red

The only way we will have board resignations will be if we protest and not attend matches
Hit the board in their pockets.. If that doesnt work then we vote them out next Summer..

I don't agree. Not attending matches gives them a safety net, because any struggling team will see andecline in attendances. We need the majorly pissed off supporters to come back to show how they feel, during games.

[scampi]

Haven’t been for a while . Paid £20 some of the football was shocking , no point Wrexham players squaring up to the opposition when they can’t pass the ball . Good attendance but I could feel a sense of apathy around the whole place . Only costs slightly more to watch premier league games . Let’s look for a decent backer with money if possible

[-luke]

Originally Posted by mattw

Not often I post anything remotely serious but pretty down today. My gut feeling WM is that if we go down there will be a rallying of the board that they are the people to steer us back as they know the club inside out. I also wouldn’t be surprised if someone came in to buy the trust out but leave a token member on the board for goodwill.

For real change the trust and club boards need clearly splitting and the trust board needs the hold the club board to real account. I now work as Sales Director for the company I’m with and with that comes absolute clear black and white expectations of the numbers me and my guys need to deliver along with the other kpi’s.

What struck me from the board q and a was they seemed to have boxed off their own areas of expertise but I just couldn’t see what the markers for success were for us stakeholders to judge them on. We appear to get a few grand project targets but nothing broken down or fed back to the membership.. which makes me really question do they hold each other to account on the club board?

There’s a lot of people on this message board, with much more knowledge in business than I’ve got, but I’m sure every single one would agree - a club of Wrexham’s size needs an independent, full accountable, professional, full time board.

Just look again at the smart goals they did... They are not measuring themselves, they are not working to any clear targets. Its ridiculous how little accountability there is.

[scampi]

Originally Posted by scampi

Haven’t been for a while . Paid £20 some of the football was shocking , no point Wrexham players squaring up to the opposition when they can’t pass the ball . Good attendance but I could feel a sense of apathy around the whole place . Only costs slightly more to watch premier league games . Let’s look for a decent backer with money if possible

Mel Sutton was underrated

[Back of the Kop]

Originally Posted by dixienormous

I don't agree. Not attending matches gives them a safety net, because any struggling team will see andecline in attendances. We need the majorly pissed off supporters to come back to show how they feel, during games.

I don't agree.An empty ground will attract huge media attention.Turning up chanting shit is just not cutting the mustard.

[Prodigal Dragon]

Originally Posted by mattw

Not often I post anything remotely serious but pretty down today. My gut feeling WM is that if we go down there will be a rallying of the board that they are the people to steer us back as they know the club inside out. I also wouldn’t be surprised if someone came in to buy the trust out but leave a token member on the board for goodwill.

For real change the trust and club boards need clearly splitting and the trust board needs the hold the club board to real account. I now work as Sales Director for the company I’m with and with that comes absolute clear black and white expectations of the numbers me and my guys need to deliver along with the other kpi’s.

What struck me from the board q and a was they seemed to have boxed off their own areas of expertise but I just couldn’t see what the markers for success were for us stakeholders to judge them on. We appear to get a few grand project targets but nothing broken down or fed back to the membership.. which makes me really question do they hold each other to account on the club board?

There’s a lot of people on this message board, with much more knowledge in business than I’ve got, but I’m sure every single one would agree - a club of Wrexham’s size needs an independent, full accountable, professional, full time board.

Some interesting observations, albeit I disagree on how the WST board structure should be restructured.

In an ideal world, someone or some party would come along and buy the club lock, stock and barrel, but that seems unlikely.

We therefore must reboot the WST model and bring in fresh faces with fresh ideas. That, IMHO, includes sacking Keates and bringing in someone with the ability to reasonably guarantee we avoid the drop. It cannot be guaranteed, but there are sufficient games left if we have a leader and some new bodies in midfield.

Our inability to raise enough interest for an EGM dismayed me, but I fear their proposals would just tinker at the edges, and not address the issues.

My solution would be as follows:

Make the WST Chairman the accountable manager to the WST members. The Chairman should be voted directly by the members.

The Wrexham AFC Board should have primacy, not the current WST Operating Committee -- or whatever they call themselves these days. They have an important role to play but cannot be held responsible for the football side because they are not directly involved with its supervision.

Alas, whether by design or default, the current set-up merely maintains the status quo; made worse by the apathy amongst WST members to hold these folk to account.

Of the current Board, only 2 are worth keeping: Phil Salmon and Mark Williams for his financial continuity. The other 3 are not pulling their weight and will not accept responsibility for their string of poor decisions.

Our club is on the brink of extinction; unless radical change is done soon we will run out of games and face the drop. If we go any lower we will run out of cash, and the Racecourse will be more unaffordable than it is now.

I had wrongly thought we would have recovered by now, but it was as clear as daylight that there is no fight in most of the players because they have lost faith in the club, manager and his assistants.

The buck should always stop with Board. But all they seem capable of doing is passing it on and hoping the problem will go away. It won't!

[Back of the Kop]

Originally Posted by Prodigal Dragon

Some interesting observations, albeit I disagree on how the WST board structure should be restructured.

In an ideal world, someone or some party would come along and buy the club lock, stock and barrel, but that seems unlikely.

We therefore must reboot the WST model and bring in fresh faces with fresh ideas. That, IMHO, includes sacking Keates and bringing in someone with the ability to reasonably guarantee we avoid the drop. It cannot be guaranteed, but there are sufficient games left if we have a leader and some new bodies in midfield.

Our inability to raise enough interest for an EGM dismayed me, but I fear their proposals would just tinker at the edges, and not address the issues.

My solution would be as follows:

Make the WST Chairman the accountable manager to the WST members. The Chairman should be voted directly by the members.

The Wrexham AFC Board should have primacy, not the current WST Operating Committee -- or whatever they call themselves these days. They have an important role to play but cannot be held responsible for the football side because they are not directly involved with its supervision.

Alas, whether by design or default, the current set-up merely maintains the status quo; made worse by the apathy amongst WST members to hold these folk to account.

Of the current Board, only 2 are worth keeping: Phil Salmon and Mark Williams for his financial continuity. The other 3 are not pulling their weight and will not accept responsibility for their string of poor decisions.

Our club is on the brink of extinction; unless radical change is done soon we will run out of games and face the drop. If we go any lower we will run out of cash, and the Racecourse will be more unaffordable than it is now.

I had wrongly thought we would have recovered by now, but it was as clear as daylight that there is no fight in most of the players because they have lost faith in the club, manager and his assistants.

The buck should always stop with Board. But all they seem capable of doing is passing it on and hoping the problem will go away. It won't!

It's like being on a roundabout.It's making me feel sick, I keep seeing the same things as I go around but I just can't seem to get off.

[Prodigal Dragon]

Originally Posted by Back of the Kop

It's like being on a roundabout.It's making me feel sick, I keep seeing the same things as I go around but I just can't seem to get off.

It is nauseating but we need to fight the WST smoke-screen to ensure the club survives and then goes in a different direction.

If we give up, it's well and truly ENDEX!

[sparky]

Originally Posted by Windsor Mike

Just how bad do you think it has to get, before we see resignations, or do people think it will just be allowed to slowly collapse, with relegation or a narrow escape occurring

They ain't going anywhere, they have far too much support from the likes of SO78, JCP and all those that fought the good fight back in the day and who happily support this bizarre ideology at all costs and have lost all focus on what a football club should actually be about.

Keates and Darlington should be dragged in on Monday by their ears and given the mother of all bollockings for that today. Can you imagine that happening here, not a chance. We're still here, at least we're not Bury etc etc. Sickening.