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Old 10th January 2020, 18.03:23   #51-0 (permalink)
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Amen to that.

Essentially, we have neither the money nor the personnel to have a complex structure in place. We seem unwilling or unable to employ a CEO to manage the club on a day-to-day basis, with a Board supervising him.

We currently — by necessity — have a Board doing the work and being responsible for supervising their actions and outcomes. Unless those individuals are very self-critical they cannot possibly do both roles well.

With the limited resources available, our best compromise, IMHO, is to have a genuine chairman — for ease, let’s call them the WST Chairman — who does no ‘hands on’ work but just supervises, and. Board below him that does a combination of work and supervision.

Ideally, we should have: a CEO who manages all non-football stuff, and reports to the Board; and a DoF who supports a competent manager.

Spencer has assumed too much work and responsibility, which inevitably means folk do too much to too low a standard.

Essentially, we have a structure that is not fit for purpose, and individuals who have been in post for too long and they have become unaccountable to the owners — the WST members, except we ain’t, because there is only one share and that is held by the WST Chairman.

Oh, and top of that, we have a crap football team and set-up. Mustn’t forget that.
PD, very sadly I share your concerns and agree with your analysis. It is not so much an issue of having volunteers governing decisions of a commercial business entity, but more the structure and set up of the 2 operational boards and the insular mindset of some of the individuals who currently occupy the roles.

Though I do accept that a club CEO role might need to be paid for in some respects.

During our club's most successful ever period all the board members were unpaid volunteers who had to marry their time and commitment to the club with their own professional roles elsewhere. There was also only 1 board and not 2. The ownership and club governance was all covered within 1 board, which made strategy and the role responsibilities much easier for accountability.

Our then club chairman Fred Tomlinson had plenty of verbal assaults to deal with as all chairmans due, but it is often forgotten how instrumental he was in the world of football while being a local dairy farmer.

While being Chairman of Wrexham Fred also sat on the Milk Marketing Board and which used to have a regional hq in Wrexham.

It was Fred who helped to instigate and create the first major trophy to be sponsored in British football of football with the old League Cup becoming the Milk Cup in 1982 and first sponsored final.

When you consider how much corporate money and sponsorship has poured into football since then, it's interesting to think our own club chairman was instrumental in that development.

So perhaps the answer to all of this despair is to create the Wrexham Lager Cup.
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Old 10th January 2020, 18.15:45   #52-0 (permalink)
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PD, very sadly I share your concerns and agree with your analysis. It is not so much an issue of having volunteers governing decisions of a commercial business entity, but more the structure and set up of the 2 operational boards and the insular mindset of some of the individuals who currently occupy the roles.

Though I do accept that a club CEO role might need to be paid for in some respects.

During our club's most successful ever period all the board members were unpaid volunteers who had to marry their time and commitment to the club with their own professional roles elsewhere. There was also only 1 board and not 2. The ownership and club governance was all covered within 1 board, which made strategy and the role responsibilities much easier for accountability.

Our then club chairman Fred Tomlinson had plenty of verbal assaults to deal with as all chairmans due, but it is often forgotten how instrumental he was in the world of football while being a local dairy farmer.

While being Chairman of Wrexham Fred also sat on the Milk Marketing Board and which used to have a regional hq in Wrexham.

It was Fred who helped to instigate and create the first major trophy to be sponsored in British football of football with the old League Cup becoming the Milk Cup in 1982 and first sponsored final.

When you consider how much corporate money and sponsorship has poured into football since then, it's interesting to think our own club chairman was instrumental in that development.

So perhaps the answer to all of this despair is to create the Wrexham Lager Cup.
We'd still lose to Gresford in the first round!
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Old 10th January 2020, 20.18:38   #53-0 (permalink)
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I certainly do think about how much money used to flow into the game. Thirty years ago, it was probably 10% of what goes into it today, but at least it was spread fairly equally throughout the top four tiers.
The premier league was established to concentrate the bulk of the tv and pools money within the top twenty two clubs. It was basically two fingers to the small town clubs - “I’m alright Jack !” The big glamour clubs have always been massive with their big grounds, attendances and income streams, but the Premier League forming was a right kick in the nuts. Not surprisingly, I don’t possess a Satellite dish !
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Old 10th January 2020, 23.10:08   #54-0 (permalink)
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We'd still lose to Gresford in the first round!
As a Gresford lad myself, I can only agree...
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PD, very sadly I share your concerns and agree with your analysis. It is not so much an issue of having volunteers governing decisions of a commercial business entity, but more the structure and set up of the 2 operational boards and the insular mindset of some of the individuals who currently occupy the roles.

Though I do accept that a club CEO role might need to be paid for in some respects.

During our club's most successful ever period all the board members were unpaid volunteers who had to marry their time and commitment to the club with their own professional roles elsewhere. There was also only 1 board and not 2. The ownership and club governance was all covered within 1 board, which made strategy and the role responsibilities much easier for accountability.

Our then club chairman Fred Tomlinson had plenty of verbal assaults to deal with as all chairmans due, but it is often forgotten how instrumental he was in the world of football while being a local dairy farmer.

While being Chairman of Wrexham Fred also sat on the Milk Marketing Board and which used to have a regional hq in Wrexham.

It was Fred who helped to instigate and create the first major trophy to be sponsored in British football of football with the old League Cup becoming the Milk Cup in 1982 and first sponsored final.

When you consider how much corporate money and sponsorship has poured into football since then, it's interesting to think our own club chairman was instrumental in that development.

So perhaps the answer to all of this despair is to create the Wrexham Lager Cup.
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Just watching final score

Luton in the championship and we’re still in the Mickey Mouse league @ says it all
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Old 11th January 2020, 16.29:18   #57-0 (permalink)
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Just watching final score

Luton in the championship and we’re still in the Mickey Mouse league @ says it all
Yes they are but looks like it will be a short visit as they are bottom
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Wish we where bottom of the championship
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