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Old 16th January 2020, 13.23:26   #28-0 (permalink)
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Carbon offsetting is available , I did it for my last foreign holiday.
It might be a good idea if it was a compulsory element of every air fare.
Its a big con.

It is mainly for the rich so the likes of Elton John/the Royals can take private jets around the world and feel okay about it.

Its just the rest of us they want to preach to about climate change and to stop flying.
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Love your positivity , any reason for your comment.
Prehaps some research needs to be done on your part, like the ocean being polluted and the effects that is having on global warming.

Depending on where the trees are planted it only works 50% of the year max. No environment groups support it either, as it doesn't encourage a reduction in all areas that cause pollution.
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Old 16th January 2020, 14.00:00   #30-0 (permalink)
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[QUOTE=GiggityGiggityGiggityGoo;2336311]Prehaps some research needs to be done on your part, like the ocean being polluted and the effects that is having on global warming.



How condescending.
I regularly take part in climate action campaigns and correspond with my local authority climate officer to try to get the council to improve its performance regarding recycling food waste instead of sending it to landfill.
My question to your facetious answer was simply trying to find out why you think carbon offsetting is a scam.
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Old 16th January 2020, 14.04:18   #31-0 (permalink)
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Prehaps some research needs to be done on your part, like the ocean being polluted and the effects that is having on global warming.



How condescending.
I regularly take part in climate action campaigns and correspond with my local authority climate officer to try to get the council to improve its performance regarding recycling food waste instead of sending it to landfill.
My question to your facetious answer was simply trying to find out why you think carbon offsetting is a scam.
'Even in the case of energy-based schemes, however, many people argue that offsetting is unhelpful – or even counterproductive – in the fight against climate change. For example, writer George Monbiot famously compared carbon offsets with the ancient Catholic church's practice of selling indulgences: absolution from sins and reduced time in purgatory in return for financial donations to the church. Just as indulgences allowed the rich to feel better about sinful behaviour without actually changing their ways, carbon offsets allow us to "buy complacency, political apathy and self-satisfaction", Monbiot claimed. "Our guilty consciences appeased, we continue to fill up our SUVs and fly round the world without the least concern about our impact on the planet … it's like pushing the food around on your plate to create the impression that you have eaten it.'
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Prehaps some research needs to be done on your part, like the ocean being polluted and the effects that is having on global warming.



How condescending.
I regularly take part in climate action campaigns and correspond with my local authority climate officer to try to get the council to improve its performance regarding recycling food waste instead of sending it to landfill.
My question to your facetious answer was simply trying to find out why you think carbon offsetting is a scam.
Oh, it wasn't a facetious answer, it's the truth.

Yet you've fallen for a scam that is carbon offsetting, no environmental group supports them, so I'm surprised given your background you've used such scams.
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Genuine question on climate change.

Firstly, let me say I do believe man is having an impact here.

However, whenever there is talk about changes in global temperatures, it is always qualified by the term "hottest since records began"

I believe proper climate records began in about 1840 - which in terms of the earths existence, is the blink of an eye away.

However, evidence does exist of tropical forests being found across many Northern countries, and we have also got records of ice fairs being held on the Thames during the middle ages.

Surely this then indicates that the climate has changed significantly previously, and also prior to the industrial era.

Therefore is it right to say climate change is a man made phenomena that we can really influence? or is man just speeding up a natural cycle in the earth's climate which has happened previously i.e. before records began, and while we may be able to influence the speed of that change, is saying we can reverse it, really realistic?

Not a scientist and I don't even pretend to know any of the answers, but when I hear people saying this is a man made problem, I always question myself if it is.

Much like this.

https://news.sky.com/story/climate-c...leash-11889776
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I want to travel to the other side of the world from time to time, and I don't have the money, time or skill to travel there by yacht.
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Oh, it wasn't a facetious answer, it's the truth.

Yet you've fallen for a scam that is carbon offsetting, no environmental group supports them, so I'm surprised given your background you've used such scams.
About your Offset

WWF endorses the Gold Standard for carbon offsets in the energy sector. Gold Standard projects are high-quality initiatives that make investments in clean energy or efficient production and also contribute to the sustainable development of the countries in which they are hosted.

From World Wildlife Fund.
I'd still like to know what you see as a scam.
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About your Offset

WWF endorses the Gold Standard for carbon offsets in the energy sector. Gold Standard projects are high-quality initiatives that make investments in clean energy or efficient production and also contribute to the sustainable development of the countries in which they are hosted.

From World Wildlife Fund.
I'd still like to know what you see as a scam.

Only the 'Gold standard though - the text below is taken from Joint statement on offsetting carbon emissions - by Friends of the Earth, Greenpeace and WWF-UK:

Friends of the Earth, Greenpeace and WWF recognise that a market for voluntary carbon offsets is rapidly developing, and that these can be used to help catalyse the transition to non-fossil fuel based energy systems in offset host countries and to encourage greater energy efficiency. Carbon offsets do not, however, reduce emissions overall and therefore purchasing offsets should only be seen as a last resort after other measures to reduce or avoid emissions have been thoroughly explored and acted upon. As environmental campaigners, we are concerned about the potential of these projects to be used as a way for businesses to argue there is no need for legislation that will curb emissions from their sector. Purchasing offsets can be seen as an easy way out for governments, businesses and individuals to continue polluting without making changes to the way they do business or their behaviour. In particular there are strong concerns over the environmental credibility of the credits and the contribution of the projects to sustainable development.

I still prefer my earlier post - more accurate I think.
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