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Old 7th February 2020, 14.53:03   #21-0 (permalink)
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They are such an arrogant bunch of tossers it beggars belief. I think once these clowns are eventually ejected from the boardroom far more stuff will out itself. That's why they are desperate to keep clinging on.
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Just look out for a bearded chap with glasses, small in stature , sits in the stand next to Brian Flynn when our ex- assistant manager comes back to watch the lads.
Nah I think he's 6ft 8 inches, bald head with a moustache
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Nah I think he's 6ft 8 inches, bald head with a moustache
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Reading through the countless posts I think Pete Jones needs removing from his post... What an arrogant man he sounds, I don't know him personally which is just as well as I wouldn't hold back telling him to resign.
When Wrexham played North Ferriby at Wembley 3 of us waited a couple of Hours for our Bus , it went without us , on the Monday we went in the club Shop to report this , Pete Jones said " we will refund you and next Home game we will treat you something Special " we got a refund But still waiting for our "TREAT" Don't trust the Man after that .
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Back on topic, the following has been emailed to the Board today. I wonder if they will reply this time:

To: John.Mills@wst.org.uk; josh.williams@wst.org.uk; Bryan.Still@wst.org.uk; Stephen.Lloyd@wst.org.uk; Sarah.Smith.Howard@wst.org.uk; Gavin.Jones@wst.org.uk; Spencer.Harris@wst.org.uk; Mark.Williams@wst.org.uk; rob.stock@wst.org.uk; simon.rhodes@wst.org.uk
Subject: Members' meeting - 17th February 2020


Fellow fans of WAFC,

I’m addressing this to you all as there seems to be no single address on the website with which the appropriate individual can be reached with generic requests and messages. I would like to think that this is why earlier messages addressed to membership@ have failed to draw a response.

Communications embracing transparency is a hot topic among fans who are concerned that despite the club being “Fans Owned” they are frequently left in the dark regarding matters considered important to them. This even extended to there being no time stated for the Members’ Meeting scheduled for the 17th February.

Many feel that attending a meeting that has no specific agenda may be pointless, and therefore a waste of time and fuel. Indeed, that could help explain why such meetings have been under-attended in the past, creating a false impression that fans simply aren’t interested in anything other than the results after 90 minutes of match play. This is merely a reflection of many fans’ circumstances and not their interest in a lifetime’s support for the club that they love. There have been comments about this today on social media, culminating in a suggestion that fans who are unable to attend such meetings be invited to do so using Skype or Line conference call facilities as just two examples. I would have imagined that you’re aware of the facility, and wonder why it hasn’t already been utilised to at least offer greater inclusion to those who complain that they can’t attend. Is there a reason for this of which we should be aware?

Others (myself included) have been concerned at the delays in posting minutes of your monthly meetings on the WST website. For many of us, it is the only way to gain a perception of the activities in which you are involved to take this once-great club forward, and therefore back to where we should be. Rather sadly, there is a glaring absence of detail about that in the minutes currently available, the latest being those for your October meeting. Whilst it was held late in the month, leading to the next scheduled meeting being due at the end of November, the minutes for that are way overdue. I wonder therefore if you are aware that it is a legal requirement for such meetings to be produced much earlier than this. Sadly, the missing minutes add to the growing sense of disillusion among supporters.

Some of you have an awareness of the frustration felt by so many this season, as you have social media accounts where many supporters aren’t shy to express their feelings on a variety of topics related to the club, such as team management (including coaching, team selection and player acquisition and retention) team tactics including substitutions, and the allocation of funds across the different areas of club management. Some feel very strongly about the disabled facilities (and the second platform delays in particular) while others focus on the way some former players have been treated by the club in recent times. Simply reading this short list provides a hint at the anger felt by many that fans are being ignored by the management, who quite happily accept the funding provided by match and season tickets, membership subscriptions (when they are received – many who became members have lost track of their status due to the lack of communications in that regard) and so on. Others are concerned that the club/Trust is losing revenue as a result of not seizing upon opportunities suggested by fans: one older fan wanted to make a legacy to the club. I did exchange emails with Richard Ulrich and Mark Jones about this subject, quoting Tranmere Rovers’ success in that area. That communication was around sixteen months ago and ended when I was told that it would be discussed with the board. It was never followed up, and I doubt that the club has any idea about the potential value of such donations from lifelong fans. In a former role, I dealt with legacies to my then employer – a small charity. That organisation received £160,000 from legacies in 2018/9 alone, so I’ll never be persuaded that making fans aware that they can still help the club after they pass on is a waste of time and effort.

It has been suggested in view of the disturbing lack of feedback to fans who have communicated with you about their offers of help that a record of such communications – and the results – be kept for public access. Such a record now exists, and I hope that you will respond to comments made here. Silence tends to condemn instead of helping with the main thrust of this email, i.e. communications, inclusion, and transparency.

Finally, I see several references to a “forum” mentioned on your meeting minutes to which you post more details, but have been unable to find such a facility. Is this a closed forum for your use alone, or is it open to the wider ownership of the club to inspect?

Again, good luck to the club during what remains of this season.

Yours sincerely
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I look forward to the reply - if any. Thanks for your effort
Old 9th February 2020, 15.07:30   #27-0 (permalink)
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Back on topic, the following has been emailed to the Board today. I wonder if they will reply this time:

To: John.Mills@wst.org.uk; josh.williams@wst.org.uk; Bryan.Still@wst.org.uk; Stephen.Lloyd@wst.org.uk; Sarah.Smith.Howard@wst.org.uk; Gavin.Jones@wst.org.uk; Spencer.Harris@wst.org.uk; Mark.Williams@wst.org.uk; rob.stock@wst.org.uk; simon.rhodes@wst.org.uk
Subject: Members' meeting - 17th February 2020


Fellow fans of WAFC,

I’m addressing this to you all as there seems to be no single address on the website with which the appropriate individual can be reached with generic requests and messages. I would like to think that this is why earlier messages addressed to membership@ have failed to draw a response.

Communications embracing transparency is a hot topic among fans who are concerned that despite the club being “Fans Owned” they are frequently left in the dark regarding matters considered important to them. This even extended to there being no time stated for the Members’ Meeting scheduled for the 17th February.

Many feel that attending a meeting that has no specific agenda may be pointless, and therefore a waste of time and fuel. Indeed, that could help explain why such meetings have been under-attended in the past, creating a false impression that fans simply aren’t interested in anything other than the results after 90 minutes of match play. This is merely a reflection of many fans’ circumstances and not their interest in a lifetime’s support for the club that they love. There have been comments about this today on social media, culminating in a suggestion that fans who are unable to attend such meetings be invited to do so using Skype or Line conference call facilities as just two examples. I would have imagined that you’re aware of the facility, and wonder why it hasn’t already been utilised to at least offer greater inclusion to those who complain that they can’t attend. Is there a reason for this of which we should be aware?

Others (myself included) have been concerned at the delays in posting minutes of your monthly meetings on the WST website. For many of us, it is the only way to gain a perception of the activities in which you are involved to take this once-great club forward, and therefore back to where we should be. Rather sadly, there is a glaring absence of detail about that in the minutes currently available, the latest being those for your October meeting. Whilst it was held late in the month, leading to the next scheduled meeting being due at the end of November, the minutes for that are way overdue. I wonder therefore if you are aware that it is a legal requirement for such meetings to be produced much earlier than this. Sadly, the missing minutes add to the growing sense of disillusion among supporters.

Some of you have an awareness of the frustration felt by so many this season, as you have social media accounts where many supporters aren’t shy to express their feelings on a variety of topics related to the club, such as team management (including coaching, team selection and player acquisition and retention) team tactics including substitutions, and the allocation of funds across the different areas of club management. Some feel very strongly about the disabled facilities (and the second platform delays in particular) while others focus on the way some former players have been treated by the club in recent times. Simply reading this short list provides a hint at the anger felt by many that fans are being ignored by the management, who quite happily accept the funding provided by match and season tickets, membership subscriptions (when they are received – many who became members have lost track of their status due to the lack of communications in that regard) and so on. Others are concerned that the club/Trust is losing revenue as a result of not seizing upon opportunities suggested by fans: one older fan wanted to make a legacy to the club. I did exchange emails with Richard Ulrich and Mark Jones about this subject, quoting Tranmere Rovers’ success in that area. That communication was around sixteen months ago and ended when I was told that it would be discussed with the board. It was never followed up, and I doubt that the club has any idea about the potential value of such donations from lifelong fans. In a former role, I dealt with legacies to my then employer – a small charity. That organisation received £160,000 from legacies in 2018/9 alone, so I’ll never be persuaded that making fans aware that they can still help the club after they pass on is a waste of time and effort.

It has been suggested in view of the disturbing lack of feedback to fans who have communicated with you about their offers of help that a record of such communications – and the results – be kept for public access. Such a record now exists, and I hope that you will respond to comments made here. Silence tends to condemn instead of helping with the main thrust of this email, i.e. communications, inclusion, and transparency.

Finally, I see several references to a “forum” mentioned on your meeting minutes to which you post more details, but have been unable to find such a facility. Is this a closed forum for your use alone, or is it open to the wider ownership of the club to inspect?

Again, good luck to the club during what remains of this season.

Yours sincerely
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I'm happy to say that there has been one response to today's email to the Board. It is more of an acknowledgement in that it doesn't fully address the issues raised, but it does contain some information that I wasn't aware of. There that response, in full, which should be welcomed as a step towards better communications, despite there being a bit of a "home truth" there, directed at those fans who are claimed to have forced the club into diverting funds from the squad budget for next year into finding a paid member of staff to fulfill John Mills' voluntary role. There will be voices who will suggest that had John been seen to provide the service expected of his paid successor, then that diversion of funds would not be necessary, as there would be no room to criticise him to that degree which is leading to his departure.

It is now almost 3:00 am here, and a reply to him won't be sent until tomorrow. That will address points not covered in his email, as well as responding to those that were made.

So, he wrote:

Good evening Rob,

I’m replying to your message just in case any of my fellow board members, including those that would have seen your original message to the membership@wst.org.uk address seem to have ignored. I did not see this myself.

I agree totally with your observation that there is no set agenda for the upcoming Members meeting, but, to be honest, such meetings would not be dictated to by any set agenda, as has been shown in the past. Rather, the agenda sets itself by the attendees, and their perceived grievances, which, in all honesty, is where these meetings should be, the voice of the owners is paramount to the success of the Club.

One of the main points I would like to address is that the ownership of the Club has changed dramatically what the WST actually stands for. We are now running a multimillion pound business, not just a pressure group of fans, and it is that reality that causes a lot of issues with the Club owners and fans. With the best will in the world, I would like to see the community aspects of the WST continue to progress, and I do believe that this is still in the forefront of anything we do. I know myself that at any opportunity I promote the work of our DSO and the fantastic work she does. I am also conscious of the work of the DSA, but, for a lot of reasons, that group and some of their officials seem to have caused friction, resulting in 3 WST board members actually leaving the board due to ‘personality clashes’ with one particular DSA official. These are facts, not social media rumours. Personally, I have run businesses much larger than Wrexham AFC, and have a brief from the WAG to work with businesses across Wales up to £40 million turnover to improve their chances of success in the business world. However, given the abuse, threats and character assassination that has gone on on social media platforms, after this season, I will no longer be giving my time and skillset to the Club.

Regarding the WST board minutes, I have been chasing these up for a while now, and, although the December minutes are ready to be published, because of the change In Secretaries. The November minutes has been difficult to finalise, and I would be reluctant to publish the December minutes before the November minutes. You would possibly understand that if a month’s minutes didn’t appear, there would be the usual social media storm that the WST board were hiding things. This isn’t the case, I’m just waiting on the new secretary to approve the minutes, and they will be up ASAP.

Apologies for the above over long message, but, as you addressed your email, I am a Wrexham AFC fan, and I find it despicable that other fans are questioning my dedication to the club. The fact that next seasons available player budget will be reduced by a minimum of £50k to replace the services I have provided to the club for free for the last decade is very, very sad. Finally, the forum referred to is a management forum so that Board members can interface in a medium that is instant, and thus mean that any decisions are timely and relevant. I have previously provided a Members forum on the WST website, which was active for two years, and had 3 posts from WST members. I have suggested relaunching this to the current WST board, and that may happen.

I have tasked the board with providing information to the membership, and tonight, hopefully, you will see information . How this works going forward will be dependent on response. My view is that we should be providing all the information we legally, and business sensitivity aware, can do. You then have the Board members having to step up and provide this, which is in their remit.

Finally, if you ever want to talk about anything (while I’m still around) please let me know. I’m very much a ‘gloves off’ type of person and always welcome a good chat. I apologise for the long email, I just wanted you to understand my views.

Best regards,

John
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given the abuse, threats and character assassination that has gone on on social media platforms, after this season, I will no longer be giving my time and skillset to the Club.

Nice one. Off you fck John
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Any chance you can take the others with you john
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