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Old 9th February 2020, 10.21:12   #41-0 (permalink)
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As an exile who struggles to make meetings, I tried to do that via the Q & A they ran but it didn’t go too well!
I'm another exile with no chance at all of attending meetings in person. However, I am able to participate in meetings where Skype conferencing is available.

It is easy to set up and allows up to 25 participants to join in. It could be that more than 25 members would want to attend and participate, and there are many other services available such as Line Group Call that can include 200 people. Both of these mentioned are free for the participants.

It would require the club/WST to be willing to adopt inclusivity in order for the service to be provided... is that a problem?
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I'm another exile with no chance at all of attending meetings in person. However, I am able to participate in meetings where Skype conferencing is available.

It is easy to set up and allows up to 25 participants to join in. It could be that more than 25 members would want to attend and participate, and there are many other services available such as Line Group Call that can include 200 people. Both of these mentioned are free for the participants.

It would require the club/WST to be willing to adopt inclusivity in order for the service to be provided... is that a problem?
Hopefully not - this is definitely something that would interest me if it was made available.
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Seriously people, this really is your chance to put any question of your choice to those on high. Think about that, when you're typing your next post ..... It's an opportunity to ask those uncomfortable questions, which for some reason were submitted, but weren't put to the board during the online Q & A.
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I'll have to log in after the fact.

New job means evening working, so no members meetings for me.
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I apologise for duplicating this post from the "Emails and letters to the board" thread, but it is relevant to the Members Meeting:
Sent today:

To: John.Mills@wst.org.uk; josh.williams@wst.org.uk; Bryan.Still@wst.org.uk; Stephen.Lloyd@wst.org.uk; Sarah.Smith.Howard@wst.org.uk; Gavin.Jones@wst.org.uk; Spencer.Harris@wst.org.uk; Mark.Williams@wst.org.uk; rob.stock@wst.org.uk; simon.rhodes@wst.org.uk
Subject: Members' meeting - 17th February 2020


Fellow fans of WAFC,

I’m addressing this to you all as there seems to be no single address on the website with which the appropriate individual can be reached with generic requests and messages. I would like to think that this is why earlier messages addressed to membership@ have failed to draw a response.

Communications embracing transparency is a hot topic among fans who are concerned that despite the club being “Fans Owned” they are frequently left in the dark regarding matters considered important to them. This even extended to there being no time stated for the Members’ Meeting scheduled for the 17th February.

Many feel that attending a meeting that has no specific agenda may be pointless, and therefore a waste of time and fuel. Indeed, that could help explain why such meetings have been under-attended in the past, creating a false impression that fans simply aren’t interested in anything other than the results after 90 minutes of match play. This is merely a reflection of many fans’ circumstances and not their interest in a lifetime’s support for the club that they love. There have been comments about this today on social media, culminating in a suggestion that fans who are unable to attend such meetings be invited to do so using Skype or Line conference call facilities as just two examples. I would have imagined that you’re aware of the facility, and wonder why it hasn’t already been utilised to at least offer greater inclusion to those who complain that they can’t attend. Is there a reason for this of which we should be aware?

Others (myself included) have been concerned at the delays in posting minutes of your monthly meetings on the WST website. For many of us, it is the only way to gain a perception of the activities in which you are involved to take this once-great club forward, and therefore back to where we should be. Rather sadly, there is a glaring absence of detail about that in the minutes currently available, the latest being those for your October meeting. Whilst it was held late in the month, leading to the next scheduled meeting being due at the end of November, the minutes for that are way overdue. I wonder therefore if you are aware that it is a legal requirement for such meetings to be produced much earlier than this. Sadly, the missing minutes add to the growing sense of disillusion among supporters.

Some of you have an awareness of the frustration felt by so many this season, as you have social media accounts where many supporters aren’t shy to express their feelings on a variety of topics related to the club, such as team management (including coaching, team selection and player acquisition and retention) team tactics including substitutions, and the allocation of funds across the different areas of club management. Some feel very strongly about the disabled facilities (and the second platform delays in particular) while others focus on the way some former players have been treated by the club in recent times. Simply reading this short list provides a hint at the anger felt by many that fans are being ignored by the management, who quite happily accept the funding provided by match and season tickets, membership subscriptions (when they are received – many who became members have lost track of their status due to the lack of communications in that regard) and so on. Others are concerned that the club/Trust is losing revenue as a result of not seizing upon opportunities suggested by fans: one older fan wanted to make a legacy to the club. I did exchange emails with Richard Ulrich and Mark Jones about this subject, quoting Tranmere Rovers’ success in that area. That communication was around sixteen months ago and ended when I was told that it would be discussed with the board. It was never followed up, and I doubt that the club has any idea about the potential value of such donations from lifelong fans. In a former role, I dealt with legacies to my then employer – a small charity. That organisation received £160,000 from legacies in 2018/9 alone, so I’ll never be persuaded that making fans aware that they can still help the club after they pass on is a waste of time and effort.

It has been suggested in view of the disturbing lack of feedback to fans who have communicated with you about their offers of help that a record of such communications – and the results – be kept for public access. Such a record now exists, and I hope that you will respond to comments made here. Silence tends to condemn instead of helping with the main thrust of this email, i.e. communications, inclusion, and transparency.

Finally, I see several references to a “forum” mentioned on your meeting minutes to which you post more details, but have been unable to find such a facility. Is this a closed forum for your use alone, or is it open to the wider ownership of the club to inspect?

Again, good luck to the club during what remains of this season.

Yours sincerely
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John Mills has sent a reply to that last post in this thread. The reply is shown in full on the "Emails and Letters to the Board" thread, but I'm pasting below a relevant section which addresses the question raised about the next Members' Meeting as it may help fans decide in advance about their desire to attend or not:

He wrote:

"I agree totally with your observation that there is no set agenda for the upcoming Members meeting, but, to be honest, such meetings would not be dictated to by any set agenda, as has been shown in the past. Rather, the agenda sets itself by the attendees, and their perceived grievances, which, in all honesty, is where these meetings should be, the voice of the owners is paramount to the success of the Club."

The wording suggests that John at least expects a fairly hostile meeting to result. That isn't to condone any abuse towards individuals on either side of the divide that is - without doubt - developing between some fans and the club. If regarded as an opportunity for both sides to bring their differences to the table in a controlled and thoughtful manner instead, with both sides prepared to listen to each others views, then targeting positive ways for the parties to address their differences could be to build a foundation for a bridge between them.

That would hopefully lead to a club where fans and management alike pull in the same direction again instead of fighting each other in an energy sapping and negative environment that no-one in their right mind enjoys.

If regarded as an opportunity for fans and club alike to move forwards together, then it should allow far more time to be spent on developing ways to strengthen the club towards a more realistic challenge for the success that every fan longs to see again. No one can change what has happened in the past. It is behind us all now, and that's where it must stay. That isn't to suggest that lessons learned the hard way should be forgotten. The future is all important, and cooperation is going to prove essential if we are to achieve our goals.
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Does anyone think like me that the bar should not be open for members meetings. That might promote a more business like approach.
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Is it true that John Mills has recently stated that he is standing down from his Trust post at season end? He will not be seeking re election for his present post. This was mentioned to me last night by a guy who has nowt to do with Red Passion, just Twitter and Facebook.
RP is as much as I can be bothered with re social media. Picking out the truth from the lies is so difficult.
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Is it true that John Mills has recently stated that he is standing down from his Trust post at season end? He will not be seeking re election for his present post. This was mentioned to me last night by a guy who has nowt to do with Red Passion, just Twitter and Facebook.
RP is as much as I can be bothered with re social media. Picking out the truth from the lies is so difficult.
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Will he actually go though?
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