Members meeting

[The Only Way Is Up]

With relevance to next week's members' meeting, here's an extract of my reply to John Mills recent email. The full text can be seen on post #82-36772

"The Members Meeting on the 17th carries a significant risk of becoming no more than a slanging match against the Board and its members unless a measure of neutral control is applied. It is unthinkable that the meeting should take place without a framework, and the best form for that would be a fairly loose agenda, where time can be allocated for questions to be answered on the subjects likely to arise. It will be futile to try to divert the criticism that is inevitable regarding the performances on the pitch this season, and these will be directed at those who selected the team management, actual management viz. team selection, coaching techniques, match tactics, substitution during matches, and training regimes. There really are very few positive points likely to be made, other than to use results from a very few good performances to demonstrate that ability does exist, though consistency is completely lacking. As short cut to disaster will be any attempt to dismiss the complaints, or to attempt to over-ride them with war-stories about the areas of success that the Board members perceive. Fans really don’t want to hear about some vague community-related indicator when what really matters to them is the appalling standard of football they are witnessing, and the precarious position the club finds itself in on the brink of 6th tier obscurity, with poorly articulated post-match platitudes from a manager who simply does not see things through a fan’s eyes any more."

[dixienormous]

Is my season ticket with my Wst 'club owner' card enough to get in tmz?

[marinman]

Originally Posted by dixienormous

Is my season ticket with my Wst 'club owner' card enough to get in tmz?

Your membership number is on the reverse. It's all I have.

[dixienormous]

Originally Posted by marinman

Your membership number is on the reverse. It's all I have.

Thank you.

[OneLoveWrexham]

Originally Posted by dixienormous

Thank you.

Remember to wear your pyjamas and if they have a pocket put your comb in then make sure you only drink half a lager.

[eosceiriog]

Originally Posted by Bagger Vance

I don’t think so. I think the £50k off the first team budget, multi million pound business, dealing with companies of £xxxm etc etc are comments designed to make fans wonder whether they should turn the heat down and keep the status quo. Power and status is addictive, it’s easy to say you will quit, quite a different thing to do it.

In reality the business isn’t that big, £2m turnover isn’t ,in the grand scheme of business’s, that large, however it’s smallish turnover and limited customer base makes it fragile. Only sporting improvement will fundamentally improve the landscape. The debts got paid off by Wembley, cup runs, ward, Obeng, Taylor, Reid, Moult and other sales. That ship has largely sailed and won’t be replenished to anything like the same degree. So no upturn in sporting fortune will likely create a financial problem - that’s the more likely exit point.

Sadly I have also thought this for some time now.

This issue of several questions and the long answers required is ludicrous for such a tiny business. A total deflection of focus.

It has principally been brought about due to a lack of leadership resulting in evasion, poor communication and downright incompetence. There should have been no need for most of the questions and therefore little need for the answers either.

There have been honourable exceptions which the apologists for the WST have unashamedly used as a shield against the fans outrage.

I have said for along time the club was being poorly run and in the round there is no longer any doubt in my mind this is the case.

[Welsh Kiwi]

The issue regarding location and involvement is incredibly important.

Wrexham fans are located all over the world. It would be very short sighted to say you need to live in Wrexham to be able to have any involvement with the WST or Club board.

Bear in mind that half of Wrexham's games are away and often the greatest most meaningful conversations are on buses, on trains, on the terraces or on seats at the game.

Rigidity is not modern or productive. Especially with todays technology.

I spend a great deal of time on Skype calls working with my international clients around the world.

Over the years I have offered my services to the WST for various roles and ideas but these have been declined due to the issue of me not being in Wrexham and not being able to attend every mtng. I had suggested Skype video conference calls as a simple solution.

The ability to participate live questions into a Fans Q&A mtng from far flung locations is actually a very important thing. It shows our club has ambition.

Edited for spelling,

[Welsh Kiwi]

Originally Posted by Inside Left

In days gone by whether WAFC AGMs or WST meetings there used to be people there who asked fair but searching questions.

True. In days gone by.

[Welsh Kiwi]

Originally Posted by The Only Way Is Up

I'm another exile with no chance at all of attending meetings in person. However, I am able to participate in meetings where Skype conferencing is available.

It is easy to set up and allows up to 25 participants to join in. It could be that more than 25 members would want to attend and participate, and there are many other services available such as Line Group Call that can include 200 people. Both of these mentioned are free for the participants.

It would require the club/WST to be willing to adopt inclusivity in order for the service to be provided... is that a problem?

Only the WST / WAFC could advise wether that kind of technological inclusivity was a problem or not.

Though I would have a fair guess you will not receive the answer you seek on RP.

Based on previous experiences, I would think it would require a resolution to be passed by members to approve it.

And based on further experience you may find if the resolution was submitted as a proposal that the WST might oppose it and give reasons why they recommend their members not to adopt it and if the resolution was still passed democratically, you might find it takes years to put into action.

That is based on my experiences with my former committee colleagues at the DSA. Who I admire greatly and who I still support at every opportunity I get.