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Old 13th February 2020, 10.25:17   #46-0 (permalink)
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Lost to Liverpool's youth team. Took a team challenging for the play offs to struggling to score playing a boring style of football. Had a bigger budget than Keates due to a previous manager.
Don't get me wrong I expected Ricketts to be challenging for at least the play offs or even have moved on by now to a bigger club. Maybe he will but he could easy be out of a job soon.
Still miles and miles better than Keates, as he proved here. Keep digging. The desperation to slaughter Ricketts is embarrassing. Focus on the raft of failures, wage thieves and losers at our own club.
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Still miles and miles better than Keates, as he proved here. Keep digging. The desperation to slaughter Ricketts is embarrassing. Focus on the raft of failures, wage thieves and losers at our own club.
Not sure where you get the miles better than Keates from. Ricketts has a greater air of confidence and can talk the talk but he inherited a far better squad than Keates did. We were a shambles when Keates took over and he had the job of offloading and recruiting whilst under the threat of relegation. Ricketts back four were sorted and solid, but yes we looked like we were progressing as an attacking force, but that was always the plan under Keates after making us harder to beat and from all accounts Ricketts got a larger playing budget to work with.

I'm not saying Ricketts won't be more successful long term, but both were rookies and injected some belief and were taking us in the right direction before they moved on.
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Not sure where you get the miles better than Keates from. Ricketts has a greater air of confidence and can talk the talk but he inherited a far better squad than Keates did. We were a shambles when Keates took over and he had the job of offloading and recruiting whilst under the threat of relegation. Ricketts back four were sorted and solid, but yes we looked like we were progressing as an attacking force, but that was always the plan under Keates after making us harder to beat and from all accounts Ricketts got a larger playing budget to work with.

I'm not saying Ricketts won't be more successful long term, but both were rookies and injected some belief and were taking us in the right direction before they moved on.
I got it from my eyes and brain, from watching a Ricketts team here who were on course to get promoted and from watching a Keates team here first time round who were dreadful to watch and were winging it massively and this time round where he's taken us backwards and all these claims of 'making us solid' etc have been proved to be total bollocks
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It was an easy conclusion to come to, similar to someone asking you if its raining outside or not.

Ricketts took over a Keates squad riddled with duff signings and an impotent attack and a weak midfield. The majority of the squad Keates got this season nearly won the league last season, so where on earth do you dream these things up?

Re Keates plan 'making us harder to beat', he's failed on all fronts there hasn't he. Again where are you getting this guff from?

Ricketts did not have the benefit of the build the budget fund that Keates did, so I very much doubt your budget claims are true. Just pure guesswork from you.

The proof is Ricketts had us challenging at the top after one summer of transfers and his team was way ahead of any team Keates has produced here. Fact. It should not need pointing out, its so obvious. Your rose tinted specs are seriously clouding your judgement.
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I got it from my eyes and brain, from watching a Ricketts team here who were on course to get promoted and from watching a Keates team here first time round who were dreadful to watch and were winging it massively and this time round where he's taken us backwards and all these claims of 'making us solid' etc have been proved to be total bollocks
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It was an easy conclusion to come to, similar to someone asking you if its raining outside or not.

Ricketts took over a Keates squad riddled with duff signings and an impotent attack and a weak midfield. The majority of the squad Keates got this season nearly won the league last season, so where on earth do you dream these things up?

Re Keates plan 'making us harder to beat', he's failed on all fronts there hasn't he. Again where are you getting this guff from?

Ricketts did not have the benefit of the build the budget fund that Keates did, so I very much doubt your budget claims are true. Just pure guesswork from you.

The proof is Ricketts had us challenging at the top after one summer of transfers and his team was way ahead of any team Keates has produced here. Fact. It should not need pointing out, its so obvious. Your rose tinted specs are seriously clouding your judgement.

Excellent post Phil but it is DW what did you expect?
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I got it from my eyes and brain, from watching a Ricketts team here who were on course to get promoted and from watching a Keates team here first time round who were dreadful to watch and were winging it massively and this time round where he's taken us backwards and all these claims of 'making us solid' etc have been proved to be total bollocks
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It was an easy conclusion to come to, similar to someone asking you if its raining outside or not.

Ricketts took over a Keates squad riddled with duff signings and an impotent attack and a weak midfield. The majority of the squad Keates got this season nearly won the league last season, so where on earth do you dream these things up?

Re Keates plan 'making us harder to beat', he's failed on all fronts there hasn't he. Again where are you getting this guff from?

Ricketts did not have the benefit of the build the budget fund that Keates did, so I very much doubt your budget claims are true. Just pure guesswork from you.

The proof is Ricketts had us challenging at the top after one summer of transfers and his team was way ahead of any team Keates has produced here. Fact. It should not need pointing out, its so obvious. Your rose tinted specs are seriously clouding your judgement.
Just have to disagree with you, as your assessment as usual was grossly exaggerated. What was Ricketts words early days 'if it ain't brokedont fix it', he knew he was getting a good starting platform so I wouldn't dismiss the changes Keates introduced to get us to that position.
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Just have to disagree with you, as your assessment as usual was grossly exaggerated. What was Ricketts words early days 'if it ain't brokedont fix it', he knew he was getting a good starting platform so I wouldn't dismiss the changes Keates introduced to get us to that position.
Which part is grossly exaggerated?
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Which part is grossly exaggerated?
Ricketts is miles and miles better than Keates.

Time will tell who ends up being the most successful (although football management is very much down to luck and the breaks you get) but for now they are both rookie managers, trying to turn clubs around who have fallen from where they are expected to be or where they were a season or so back.
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Ricketts is miles and miles better than Keates.

Time will tell who ends up being the most successful (although football management is very much down to luck and the breaks you get) but for now they are both rookie managers, trying to turn clubs around who have fallen from where they are expected to be or where they were a season or so back.
I agree they are both Rookie managers, unfortunately our present rookie manager does not appear to be learning from mistakes and his career in a short space of time has gone backwards, his record alone at Walsall was good enough a reason to not to bring him back.

We should of gone for experience they aren't all like Mills who after all was just a journeyman at non league level and still with 1970s football mentality of a drinking culture.
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Not sure where you get the miles better than Keates from. Ricketts has a greater air of confidence and can talk the talk but he inherited a far better squad than Keates did. We were a shambles when Keates took over and he had the job of offloading and recruiting whilst under the threat of relegation. Ricketts back four were sorted and solid, but yes we looked like we were progressing as an attacking force, but that was always the plan under Keates after making us harder to beat and from all accounts Ricketts got a larger playing budget to work with.

I'm not saying Ricketts won't be more successful long term, but both were rookies and injected some belief and were taking us in the right direction before they moved on.
Keates has inherited a better squad than last time, hardly pulling up trees. Plus many of this squad were in Ricketts.
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