Mandate for the Groves training ground - RedPassion.co.uk

northwalian dragon · 19th February 2020, 21.33:42

Given the boards insistence that they cannot seek outside investment without a mandate yet they press forward on a new training ground without a mandate it’d be interesting to know if theyd achieved enough votes to continue with the current project

Building it in a limited space at the groves with no room for expansion
Building it on a very complex piece of land
In a very busy part of town
A half arsed approach if we don’t get promoted back to the football league in the next 2 years (which may need back to back promotions)
No room for the youth teams on the limited land

If there were a vote for the current plans how would you vote? I’m all for a new training ground but this seems doomed from the start

Willywill · 19th February 2020, 21.37:04

Would be more cost effective to buy a big field bordering on the Industrial Estate. Clean sheet of paper and better value for money. What do I know?

dixienormous · 19th February 2020, 21.56:47

Or maybe just have a chat with the FAW and use Colliers, until we get out of this hell hole, then look at a site.

Foxy · 19th February 2020, 22.09:15

Before getting a new training ground it might be an idea to actually commit to effective training itself.

Rob Edwards · 19th February 2020, 22.21:42

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Originally Posted by Foxy

Before getting a new training ground it might be an idea to actually commit to effective training itself.

True-struggled at times to keep up fitness wise in matches against part times sides in last 2.5 years.

Quay Red · 19th February 2020, 22.29:55

It should be noted that our lease on 9 acres is for another 2 years and the council have earmarked the site for a school.
Stansty is a non starter. Could use Carden Park or Druids. The Groves seems a decent option as long as we don't go OTT with spending while we're still in the National League.
If we get promoted then options are open.

Wreck Sam · 19th February 2020, 22.37:17

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Originally Posted by Quay Red

It should be noted that our lease on 9 acres is for another 2 years and the council have earmarked the site for a school.
Stansty is a non starter. Could use Carden Park or Druids. The Groves seems a decent option as long as we don't go OTT with spending while we're still in the National League.
If we get promoted then options are open.

A long lease taken now limits our options.

Rob · 19th February 2020, 22.40:00

It is a tricky question!

Thought process for me:
Will it be better than what we have? Yes.
Will it have security of long term lease? Yes
Have other sites been assessed? No idea.
Is the council gifting the land? Basically yes.
Is the council gifting the land as they want us off the 9 Acre to build a school? Yes
If we were not being booted off would we be looking to move as a priority? Probably not.
If we were not being booted with a gift of the land would that site be top of the list to look to acquire? Probably not.
Could we afford to buy land elsewhere? Not sure, if we have several hundred grand to spend to improve the Groves could we own somewhere and grow from there?
Does this al mean that its a good deal? Possibly as we dont have the cost to buy land.
Have we looked what other freeholds or long term land leases we could acquire? No idea.
Is it big enough for now? Yes
Is it big enough for what I think the ambitions of the club might want to expand to? No.
They go on...!

I don't think there is enough information out there for anyone to make anything apart from an emotional answer.

If the information is somewhere I will take a look and then pop a vote

AndyCobra · 19th February 2020, 22.44:22

I dont have the information to make the decision

View Poll Results: Do you support the current plans for a training ground at the GROVES site
I don’t support a new training ground until we’re in the football league	36	31.58%
I don’t support a new training ground at the Groves but would support it on a better suited site	23	20.18%
I don’t support a new training ground at all	2	1.75%
I support the groves plans	33	28.95%
Undecided	20	17.54%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 114. You may not vote on this poll

19th February 2020, 21.33:42	#1-0 (permalink)
northwalian dragon Due a Testimonial Joined: Jan 2010 Racecourse Spot: Yale Stand Real Name: Twitter: @	Mandate for the Groves training ground Given the boards insistence that they cannot seek outside investment without a mandate yet they press forward on a new training ground without a mandate it’d be interesting to know if theyd achieved enough votes to continue with the current project Building it in a limited space at the groves with no room for expansion Building it on a very complex piece of land In a very busy part of town A half arsed approach if we don’t get promoted back to the football league in the next 2 years (which may need back to back promotions) No room for the youth teams on the limited land If there were a vote for the current plans how would you vote? I’m all for a new training ground but this seems doomed from the start

19th February 2020, 21.37:04	#2-0 (permalink)
Willywill Due a Testimonial Joined: Oct 2004 Racecourse Spot: Yale stand Real Name: Johnny Windows Twitter: @	Re: Mandate for the Groves training ground Would be more cost effective to buy a big field bordering on the Industrial Estate. Clean sheet of paper and better value for money. What do I know?

19th February 2020, 21.56:47	#3-0 (permalink)
dixienormous Printing My Own Banknotes Joined: Dec 2011 Racecourse Spot: Upper Yale stand, town end Real Name: Gavin Davies-Jones Twitter: @	Re: Mandate for the Groves training ground Or maybe just have a chat with the FAW and use Colliers, until we get out of this hell hole, then look at a site. __________________ "We talk about it for twenty minutes and then we decide I was right." -Brian Clough

19th February 2020, 22.09:15	#4-0 (permalink)
Foxy Part Time ITV4 Pundit Joined: Dec 2011 Racecourse Spot: none given Real Name: none given Twitter: @	Re: Mandate for the Groves training ground Before getting a new training ground it might be an idea to actually commit to effective training itself.

19th February 2020, 22.29:55	#6-0 (permalink)
Quay Red retired & running a pub (info 1 & 2) (info) Joined: Apr 2006 Racecourse Spot: MRS Real Name: Twitter: @	Re: Mandate for the Groves training ground It should be noted that our lease on 9 acres is for another 2 years and the council have earmarked the site for a school. Stansty is a non starter. Could use Carden Park or Druids. The Groves seems a decent option as long as we don't go OTT with spending while we're still in the National League. If we get promoted then options are open.

19th February 2020, 22.40:00	#8-0 (permalink)
Rob Due a Testimonial (info 1 & 2) (info) Joined: Oct 2004 Racecourse Spot: Yale Stand Real Name: Rob Twitter: @	Re: Mandate for the Groves training ground It is a tricky question! Thought process for me: Will it be better than what we have? Yes. Will it have security of long term lease? Yes Have other sites been assessed? No idea. Is the council gifting the land? Basically yes. Is the council gifting the land as they want us off the 9 Acre to build a school? Yes If we were not being booted off would we be looking to move as a priority? Probably not. If we were not being booted with a gift of the land would that site be top of the list to look to acquire? Probably not. Could we afford to buy land elsewhere? Not sure, if we have several hundred grand to spend to improve the Groves could we own somewhere and grow from there? Does this al mean that its a good deal? Possibly as we dont have the cost to buy land. Have we looked what other freeholds or long term land leases we could acquire? No idea. Is it big enough for now? Yes Is it big enough for what I think the ambitions of the club might want to expand to? No. They go on...! I don't think there is enough information out there for anyone to make anything apart from an emotional answer. If the information is somewhere I will take a look and then pop a vote

19th February 2020, 22.44:22	#9-0 (permalink)
AndyCobra Cult Hero (info 1 & 2) (info) Joined: Apr 2009 Racecourse Spot: MRS Real Name: none given Twitter: @	Re: Mandate for the Groves training ground I dont have the information to make the decision