No mandate yet to seek 'investment' - could be discussion what stake would have what price

[Wreck Sam]

Originally Posted by Bagger Vance

The best investment in the club was sporting excellence and focus on improving players - it raised more in income than the Trust has put in over their time of ownership - Obeng, Ward, Taylor, Reid, Evans, Moult plus around 10 youth and below sales from £10 to £100k.

From the start of ownership to now if we rate the sporting factors
1st team - good to poor
Coaching set up - good to poor
Reserves - good to gone
Youth team - good to no sales or progression to squad so very poor
CoE - very good to poor (one respected as best in north west outside of championship to arguably worse than Chester and not best in N Wales)
Training venue - from excellent to below some junior clubs
Potential transfer or add ons - from excellent to all gone

It’s not all about ownership or investment , although things have degraded so much it will take serious money to recover so investment would be helpful, it’s about bad strategy and bad decisions.

Thank you WST.

[krux]

Originally Posted by Bagger Vance

I just invested in a games start up- no buildings, no assets, nothing except a great product idea and great people. People invest for potential. Very few investments these days in a predominantly service and digital economy come with physical assets. Value doesn’t come from physical assets.

People who.invest in football clubs are definitely not driven by a financial return.

Plus, of course, e do have a physical asset in the form of a 100 year lease in the racecourse. It beggars belief how many people dont think this is not an asset.
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[sparky]

Originally Posted by Wreck Sam

Thank you WST.

Yep. Nobody else to blame, not Hamilton, Moss or Uncle Tom Cobley. The state of the club as BV rightly lists is on Jones and Co.

One thing is for sure, if there was such a mandate, then Jones and Co should be nowhere near it.

[Phils-an-alki]

Originally Posted by Bagger Vance

The best investment in the club was sporting excellence and focus on improving players - it raised more in income than the Trust has put in over their time of ownership - Obeng, Ward, Taylor, Reid, Evans, Moult plus around 10 youth and below sales from £10 to £100k.

From the start of ownership to now if we rate the sporting factors
1st team - good to poor
Coaching set up - good to poor
Reserves - good to gone
Youth team - good to no sales or progression to squad so very poor
CoE - very good to poor (one respected as best in north west outside of championship to arguably worse than Chester and not best in N Wales)
Training venue - from excellent to below some junior clubs
Potential transfer or add ons - from excellent to all gone

It’s not all about ownership or investment , although things have degraded so much it will take serious money to recover so investment would be helpful, it’s about bad strategy and bad decisions.

All these board supporting creeps should read this. There is no defence for them.
This sums it up perfectly.
We've been in decline for years and still are.

A badly run club will sooner or later be reflected on the pitch.

Most of the WST myths and propaganda have now been well and truly busted.

[Foxy]

Originally Posted by Bagger Vance

The best investment in the club was sporting excellence and focus on improving players - it raised more in income than the Trust has put in over their time of ownership - Obeng, Ward, Taylor, Reid, Evans, Moult plus around 10 youth and below sales from £10 to £100k.

From the start of ownership to now if we rate the sporting factors
1st team - good to poor
Coaching set up - good to poor
Reserves - good to gone
Youth team - good to no sales or progression to squad so very poor
CoE - very good to poor (one respected as best in north west outside of championship to arguably worse than Chester and not best in N Wales)
Training venue - from excellent to below some junior clubs
Potential transfer or add ons - from excellent to all gone

It’s not all about ownership or investment , although things have degraded so much it will take serious money to recover so investment would be helpful, it’s about bad strategy and bad decisions.

Can someone translate this into Welsh and email it to Harris.

[Welsh Kiwi]

I really don't like the politics or methodology of donald trump.

Have never met him but I just get the impression he isn't really a very kind hearted or very caring man. I could be wrong but he seems to think about himself and put himself and his family before everything and everyone else.

I also didn't like his concept of Make America Great Again. It sounded so elitist and scare mongering and non inclusive.

Equally I didn't like Boris Johnsons' scaremongering or how much better we would all be if we could get rid of Europe. Even if we were in it. Personally I don't like borders and divisions.

But I still am a huge supporter of the WST, with the base principle of the fans caring more about their club than anyone else. And that they represent the generations of fans who have gone before and will still be there in the future (hopefully)

But the model needs to change if we are to survive.

I spent many, many years around Pryce and genuinely thought he cared deeply about our club and I do think he did, but ultimately he took a path where he seeked a significant financial exist to his own advantage. Of course he had invested a lot of money, but being the chairman the club had also given him great pleasure and reputation as Mr Wrexham. I think he liked that. Some may feel he deserved some exit finance but I personally feel in his desperation to exist (due to financial worries) and in his advanced years he allowed himself to be fooled and tempted by the money he thought would be coming to him via H&G.

It was a terrible mistake and he has to live by that, but I am truly glad my own father (who due to his 40 year involvement with the club was someone Pryce would lean on for guidance and advice) never had to witness the events that unfolded. Because I am sure it would have made my father extremely ill and upset with the terrible worry and stress with his final role as Life President.

Very sadly the current WST model hasn't worked. It hasn't worked in the sense that our football club has gone backwards. Of course there has been a positive correction to the negative financial position we found ourselves in and thanks to the WST this has been stabilised, but lets also be honest, after having a succession of asset strippers, it wouldn't have been that difficult to show improvement, just by acting with good faith and stopping the asset stripping. Which is also ironic as what is there actually left to strip anyway? No ground. Half a car park gone. The Kop closed.

I recently changed my foot banner from
One for the Thousands of Owners of Wrexham AFC
to
Make Wrexham AFC great again
because I feel there has been a seismic shift at the football club.

Patience has worn thin, we have to change something.

I don't say make Wrexham AFC great again to suggest any allegiance to Trump philosophy, I just say it to draw attention to what we have lost over the years.

We were once a great football club and we played great football.

We are no longer a great football club and we no longer play great football.

We do have a great history but that is now yesterday.

We need to get promoted.

To do that we need investment badly.

We need a mandate to seek investment.

We need a strategy that actually works starting with a manager who gets it. I don't think we need a director of football at our level, but we do need a great manager who can lead us to everest.

I still believe in a future with WST, but the current governance needs to accept that it is time to change strategy and to encourage all their members and the wider fan base to engage with the process and actively come up with a new way of being a fans owned football club.

Otherwise we will continue to sink to greater and greater depths until sadly we are no more.

[Hometown Unicorn]

Originally Posted by Phils-an-alki

All these board supporting creeps should read this. There is no defence for them.
This sums it up perfectly.
We've been in decline for years and still are.

A badly run club will sooner or later be reflected on the pitch.

Most of the WST myths and propaganda have now been well and truly busted.

There is a defence that they will use, and it's the usual one.

'No one said this would be easy. At least we're not Bury'.

[chef1]

This Current board will eventually take us down and it will take another ten years to rebuild . The wst boardneed replacing with people who will question and take the football board to task . Currently we have 3 or 4 strong egos backed by a dozen or so puppets

[Bangor Red]

Best post i have seen for a long time