The fixtures ahead

[bartonbank]

Originally Posted by Phils-an-alki

What the hell has being a member or not got to do with it?

You use the phrase 'slag them off' a better choice of words would be 'hold them to account'.

It means I choose not to have a pop as I'm not a member. Doing so without being a member is pointless...empty vessels.

In relation to the choice of "slag off" as opposed to "hold them to account" I stand by the phrase I use. Valid criticism has descended to personal vitriol from some posters. Again...empty vessels

[Phils-an-alki]

Originally Posted by bartonbank

It means I choose not to have a pop as I'm not a member. Doing so without being a member is pointless...empty vessels.

In relation to the choice of "slag off" as opposed to "hold them to account" I stand by the phrase I use. Valid criticism has descended to personal vitriol from some posters. Again...empty vessels

Can't say I've read much personal vitriol on here to be honest. Seeing as you're a MOD on here you will have obviously taken action where appropriate. Keep up the good work, won't you.

Does making unsubstantiated allegations about Brian Flynn count as personal vitriol by the way?

And even where there is 'vitriol' it doesn't make them any less accountable or absolve them from blame. A classic attempt to try and blame the fans, you should be on the official commentary, seems you'd fit in well with that lot.

You can say empty vessels all you want, its just a meaningless dig which says more about you than anything else.

Also, I'm don't see what a minority taking things too far has got to do with holding the board to account. Sounds like a kop out, maybe to save face.

[fluffysheepsupporter]

Originally Posted by Phils-an-alki

Anyone who is OK with them isn't a real fan of the football club and should ask themselves why they support individuals over the good of the club. This is a question you'll undoubtedly duck.

I expect it from you because you've been brainwashed and you are dangerously deluded. I put you in the same category as head cases like paddockgraham.

Hey Ho! See you at Yeovil .

[ozzy red]

Originally Posted by Phils-an-alki

I see other peoples point of view on this but its nonsense because our situation remains unchanged. Dig out all the stats you want, it doesn't change anything.

Its nothing to do with having a simplistic black and white view of the world either. That's just stupid. It just happens that this is simple to asses without scratching around for stats.

This quote is in my view an example of why I find you the most annoying poster on RP and have done so for years. In fact you are the only poster that annoys me because although many I disagree with, they do not post in a personal manner.

Its your approach to any discussion, its both childish and contains elements of bullying at the same time.

To say that "this is simple to assess (assume that's the correct word) without scratching around for stats suggests that someone is stupid if they don't agree with you and you have no time for facts or statistics.

Your views are often relevant but the delivery needs some work mate.

[Red Light]

We were heading for the trapdoor under Hughes - changed had to be made.

However, a runaway train takes some stopping - you just can't change the man at the helm with the same tools and expect all to suddenly come up rosy.
We hit rock bottom, we lost at home to AFC Fylde and we couldn't feel anything more than we were doomed.

AFC Fylde changed their manager too - as did Chesterfield.

What can a manager realistically be expected to do ? poor results to me means either the playing staff and, or the playing formation has to change - it's no use doing nothing.

I didn't like the way Keates left us - but the constant comparison that suggests nothing has improved and we are still hovering around the relegation places doesn't tell the true picture.

What has changed ?

The under parr signings made by Hughes have all but been replaced.
We are now very rarely being beaten and our away form has been transformed with regular wins.
From being 5 points behind Fylde we have pulled ourselves up and dragged other clubs who were many points ahead of us to our level.
We now have a better chance than most of staying up.

I really don't know what some realistically expected - we have now turned the corner and there is no more achievements we can gain on the playing field than staying up - we wont win every game but are without doubt in a far better place than we were prior to Christmas - new signings have given us the boost that we can now compete and get a result against anyone in this league. The massive backward step was appointing Hughes which is taking time to recover from.

[Wiltshire_Red]

Originally Posted by Red Light

We were heading for the trapdoor under Hughes - changed had to be made.

However, a runaway train takes some stopping - you just can't change the man at the helm with the same tools and expect all to suddenly come up rosy.
We hit rock bottom, we lost at home to AFC Fylde and we couldn't feel anything more than we were doomed.

AFC Fylde changed their manager too - as did Chesterfield.

What can a manager realistically be expected to do ? poor results to me means either the playing staff and, or the playing formation has to change - it's no use doing nothing.

I didn't like the way Keates left us - but the constant comparison that suggests nothing has improved and we are still hovering around the relegation places doesn't tell the true picture.

What has changed ?

The under parr signings made by Hughes have all but been replaced.
We are now very rarely being beaten and our away form has been transformed with regular wins.
From being 5 points behind Fylde we have pulled ourselves up and dragged other clubs who were many points ahead of us to our level.
We now have a better chance than most of staying up.

I really don't know what some realistically expected - we have now turned the corner and there is no more achievements we can gain on the playing field than staying up - we wont win every game but are without doubt in a far better place than we were prior to Christmas - new signings have given us the boost that we can now compete and get a result against anyone in this league. The massive backward step was appointing Hughes which is taking time to recover from.

Good post. The appointment of Hughes when we were in such a strong position last season is still the most bizarre decision to try and fathom out, and hopefully we continue to improve and don’t experience the unthinkable at the end of this season.

[APJ]

Originally Posted by Red Light

We were heading for the trapdoor under Hughes - changed had to be made.

However, a runaway train takes some stopping - you just can't change the man at the helm with the same tools and expect all to suddenly come up rosy.
We hit rock bottom, we lost at home to AFC Fylde and we couldn't feel anything more than we were doomed.

AFC Fylde changed their manager too - as did Chesterfield.

What can a manager realistically be expected to do ? poor results to me means either the playing staff and, or the playing formation has to change - it's no use doing nothing.

I didn't like the way Keates left us - but the constant comparison that suggests nothing has improved and we are still hovering around the relegation places doesn't tell the true picture.

What has changed ?

The under parr signings made by Hughes have all but been replaced.
We are now very rarely being beaten and our away form has been transformed with regular wins.
From being 5 points behind Fylde we have pulled ourselves up and dragged other clubs who were many points ahead of us to our level.
We now have a better chance than most of staying up.

I really don't know what some realistically expected - we have now turned the corner and there is no more achievements we can gain on the playing field than staying up - we wont win every game but are without doubt in a far better place than we were prior to Christmas - new signings have given us the boost that we can now compete and get a result against anyone in this league. The massive backward step was appointing Hughes which is taking time to recover from.

While I agree with nearly all of this Red Light it's not true that we are very rarely beaten now. What has happened is that we rarely draw games now (e.g. 3 draws in last 20) and we all know that if you win half and lose half your games, though no good for building momentum and a promotion campaign, around 1.5pts/game is good enough to get away from relegation.

[Red Light]

Originally Posted by APJ

While I agree with nearly all of this Red Light it's not true that we are very rarely beaten now. What has happened is that we rarely draw games now (e.g. 3 draws in last 20) and we all know that if you win half and lose half your games, though no good for building momentum and a promotion campaign, around 1.5pts/game is good enough to get away from relegation.

OK I see where your coming from.
Massive transformation in away form with wins at Eastleigh, Chorley, Harrogate and now Bromley - 12 points which makes a real difference and ones which we couldn't have dreamed of a short time ago - also should have picked up at least a draw at Chesterfield - losing in the mist cruel of fashions.

Nobody is turning us over - game we have lost have been by no more a margin than one goal - now Harris and the other signings have landed the immediate future looks much better.