Keates Factor

[GoJohnnyGoGoGoGo]

Originally Posted by Tom wafc

It's the same at every club. It protects the club and the player, do you really think he hasn't covered his own back and got it in his contract that if we get relegated he's free to leave. Players wages are always effected by promotion or relegation, there would be zero point in signing a long term contract if you think the club is going to moving up the leagues. In any job if you get a promotion you're wages go up, what would be the incentive otherwise? West Ham players are due to have their wages halved if they get relegated.

Makes sense to me. It is hard to imaging Jay Harris agreeing to come here without a get-out clause that would allow him to avoid NLN.

[northwalian dragon]

Originally Posted by cardiffred

The biggest issue, though, was not the ability of the players in the first eleven but more so the toxic culture within the club. Changing a culture over night is particularly difficult. It often takes months.

The same toxic culture that Keates was first to implement as a player whilst harrasing, abusing and trying to get Wilkin sacked as well as getting himself a new contract by blackmailing the club?

Originally Posted by blackbrookred

Do you think it's fair to judge his impact prior to maybe xmas when his squad was still carrying many of Hughes's signings? By the same token it's too early to judge a number of his signings.

Yes. Completely fair. The argument that he's had to deal with Hughes' squad is flawed. Hughes didn't sign many players. In fact in some of the games Keates was in charge of early on he had the same starting 11 as a game that Ricketts was in charge of bar one, Beavon.

It is a poor team but it is no where near poor enough to still be in a relegation scrap almost 5 months after being appointed.

The only way people can state Keates has done a good job is that he is being compared to Bryan Hughes. A man who we can all universally agree is the wrong appointment. A bizzare decision that the vasy majority thought would be doomed to fail. 5 months on and theres bare minimum improvement in league position.

Arguably the worst performances of the season have come under Keates.

Add that into the deadly silent Racecourse, dwindling attendances, boycotting of games and the huge divides between the fans Keates cannot remain manager beyond the end of the season.

It's very difficult to get out of this league and needs everyone united and pushing in the right direction. That will never ever happen with Keates in charge.

[Huffy]

Originally Posted by northwalian dragon

The same toxic culture that Keates was first to implement as a player whilst harrasing, abusing and trying to get Wilkin sacked as well as getting himself a new contract by blackmailing the club?



Yes. Completely fair. The argument that he's had to deal with Hughes' squad is flawed. Hughes didn't sign many players. In fact in some of the games Keates was in charge of early on he had the same starting 11 as a game that Ricketts was in charge of bar one, Beavon.

It is a poor team but it is no where near poor enough to still be in a relegation scrap almost 5 months after being appointed.

The only way people can state Keates has done a good job is that he is being compared to Bryan Hughes. A man who we can all universally agree is the wrong appointment. A bizzare decision that the vasy majority thought would be doomed to fail. 5 months on and theres bare minimum improvement in league position.

Arguably the worst performances of the season have come under Keates.

Add that into the deadly silent Racecourse, dwindling attendances, boycotting of games and the huge divides between the fans Keates cannot remain manager beyond the end of the season.

It's very difficult to get out of this league and needs everyone united and pushing in the right direction. That will never ever happen with Keates in charge.

Obviously you cant see any improvement in the last few games then ?

[John Neals Dynasty]

Chesterfield sack their manager who was in his second stint there and almost instantly Chesterfield change their form unlike here when Keates returned zero new/old manager bounce. Some of these players were here when Keates jumped and same ones laughed at the PE Teacher allegedly behind his back. John Pemberton with the same players bar a 38 Yr old Tyson who scored a hat trick last week... Imagine if we had signed Tyson. To Old journeyman finished etc etc

[davewilli]

Originally Posted by John Neals Dynasty

Chesterfield sack their manager who was in his second stint there and almost instantly Chesterfield change their form unlike here when Keates returned zero new/old manager bounce. Some of these players were here when Keates jumped and same ones laughed at the PE Teacher allegedly behind his back. John Pemberton with the same players bar a 38 Yr old Tyson who scored a hat trick last week... Imagine if we had signed Tyson. To Old journeyman finished etc etc

Just a bit of perspective:
I'm sure Chesterfield would acknowledge they were somewhat fortunate to get 3 points against us and we should have easily closed that game down. Ok we didnt so well done Chesterfield for snatching the points.
They had what looks like a good win at home to struggling Ebbsfleet, but it was 0-0 after an hour and 3 goals were scored in the last 15 when Ebbsfleet were obviously chasing the game.

[northwalian dragon]

Originally Posted by davewilli

Just a bit of perspective:
I'm sure Chesterfield would acknowledge they were somewhat fortunate to get 3 points against us and we should have easily closed that game down. Ok we didnt so well done Chesterfield for snatching the points.
They had what looks like a good win at home to struggling Ebbsfleet, but it was 0-0 after an hour and 3 goals were scored in the last 15 when Ebbsfleet were obviously chasing the game.

What an absolutely bizzare series of comments. Chesterfield mentally strong enough to go for the winner despite being under a lot of pressure. We were once again not able to finish a game when on top. When was the last time we scored a last minute winner?

Chesterfield mentally strong enough to not bottle the pressure games against teams around us which Keates' team has consistently lost this season

[Phils-an-alki]

Originally Posted by northwalian dragon

The same toxic culture that Keates was first to implement as a player whilst harrasing, abusing and trying to get Wilkin sacked as well as getting himself a new contract by blackmailing the club?



Yes. Completely fair. The argument that he's had to deal with Hughes' squad is flawed. Hughes didn't sign many players. In fact in some of the games Keates was in charge of early on he had the same starting 11 as a game that Ricketts was in charge of bar one, Beavon.

It is a poor team but it is no where near poor enough to still be in a relegation scrap almost 5 months after being appointed.

The only way people can state Keates has done a good job is that he is being compared to Bryan Hughes. A man who we can all universally agree is the wrong appointment. A bizzare decision that the vasy majority thought would be doomed to fail. 5 months on and theres bare minimum improvement in league position.

Arguably the worst performances of the season have come under Keates.

Add that into the deadly silent Racecourse, dwindling attendances, boycotting of games and the huge divides between the fans Keates cannot remain manager beyond the end of the season.

It's very difficult to get out of this league and needs everyone united and pushing in the right direction. That will never ever happen with Keates in charge.

Sense at last.

[moynkeepthefaith]

Originally Posted by northwalian dragon

The same toxic culture that Keates was first to implement as a player whilst harrasing, abusing and trying to get Wilkin sacked as well as getting himself a new contract by blackmailing the club?



Yes. Completely fair. The argument that he's had to deal with Hughes' squad is flawed. Hughes didn't sign many players. In fact in some of the games Keates was in charge of early on he had the same starting 11 as a game that Ricketts was in charge of bar one, Beavon.

It is a poor team but it is no where near poor enough to still be in a relegation scrap almost 5 months after being appointed.

The only way people can state Keates has done a good job is that he is being compared to Bryan Hughes. A man who we can all universally agree is the wrong appointment. A bizzare decision that the vasy majority thought would be doomed to fail. 5 months on and theres bare minimum improvement in league position.

Arguably the worst performances of the season have come under Keates.

Add that into the deadly silent Racecourse, dwindling attendances, boycotting of games and the huge divides between the fans Keates cannot remain manager beyond the end of the season.

It's very difficult to get out of this league and needs everyone united and pushing in the right direction. That will never ever happen with Keates in charge.

Everyone united and pushing in the right direction. That will never ever happen.

[Phils-an-alki]

Originally Posted by moynkeepthefaith

Everyone united and pushing in the right direction. That will never ever happen.

That's the spirit