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Old 12th March 2020, 15.01:05   #82-0 (permalink)
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Why should we get past it? After everything we did for him to talk out on us with 8 games to go is appalling. Can you name another instance where a club took back a manager under the circumstances that Keates screwed us over with?

As for Keates being the lord and saviour by steering the ship away from relegation when he first came in is a myth.

When Keates took over we were 14th in the league with the record of:

W6 D5 L6

When the season ended we were 13th in the league with Keates' record being:

W9 D8 L12

Gary Mills' PPG was 1.35
Dean Keates' PPG was 1.20
Again I agree with everything you say. Keates didn't improve us last time, the only change was the style of football. Again, this time we have seen a negligible improvement in results, just another deteriation in the spectacle on offer to us fans.
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Ok I'm going to bite

Why should we get past it? After everything we did for him to talk out on us with 8 games to go is appalling. Can you name another instance where a club took back a manager under the circumstances that Keates screwed us over with?

As for Keates being the lord and saviour by steering the ship away from relegation when he first came in is a myth.

When Keates took over we were 14th in the league with the record of:

W6 D5 L6

When the season ended we were 13th in the league with Keates' record being:

W9 D8 L12

Gary Mills' PPG was 1.35
Dean Keates' PPG was 1.20
Excellent post, you have busted that myth for me.

A similar thing happened with Schteeve McLaren at derby. He came back, divided the fan base and it all ended in tears
Old 12th March 2020, 16.45:38   #84-0 (permalink)
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Ok I'm going to bite

Why should we get past it? After everything we did for him to talk out on us with 8 games to go is appalling. Can you name another instance where a club took back a manager under the circumstances that Keates screwed us over with?

As for Keates being the lord and saviour by steering the ship away from relegation when he first came in is a myth.

When Keates took over we were 14th in the league with the record of:

W6 D5 L6

When the season ended we were 13th in the league with Keates' record being:

W9 D8 L12

Gary Mills' PPG was 1.35
Dean Keates' PPG was 1.20
Cracking post this one. Our saviour moved us a whole 1 place uo the table. Watching us this year to me he sets us up not to concede but then we just in hope that we score a goal. Thats his football philosophy. Hoping to score
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Old 12th March 2020, 16.54:22   #85-0 (permalink)
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Cracking post this one. Our saviour moved us a whole 1 place uo the table. Watching us this year to me he sets us up not to concede but then we just in hope that we score a goal. Thats his football philosophy. Hoping to score
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What about PPG though? That was being thrown around on here not long back, being used over the league position to try and con people that Keates had improved us. They've all gone quiet haven't they...
Old 12th March 2020, 16.56:12   #86-0 (permalink)
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Cracking post this one. Our saviour moved us a whole 1 place uo the table. Watching us this year to me he sets us up not to concede but then we just in hope that we score a goal. Thats his football philosophy. Hoping to score
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I'm not going to win this argument but dont forget once we were safe that season, DK loaned out our 2 best players, (Rooney & Tilt) both who having indicated they wouldn't sign a new deal at Wxm to help finance bringing the likes of Manny Smith & Pearson. It was the following season where we saw the improvement.

No one is saying he is a saviour, or excusing him for walking out but he is back bringing in his own players and me for one am prepared to give him a second chance
Old 12th March 2020, 17.19:57   #87-0 (permalink)
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I'm not going to win this argument but dont forget once we were safe that season, DK loaned out our 2 best players, (Rooney & Tilt) both who having indicated they wouldn't sign a new deal at Wxm to help finance bringing the likes of Manny Smith & Pearson. It was the following season where we saw the improvement.

No one is saying he is a saviour, or excusing him for walking out but he is back bringing in his own players and me for one am prepared to give him a second chance
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I'm not going to win this argument but dont forget once we were safe that season, DK loaned out our 2 best players, (Rooney & Tilt) both who having indicated they wouldn't sign a new deal at Wxm to help finance bringing the likes of Manny Smith & Pearson. It was the following season where we saw the improvement.

No one is saying he is a saviour, or excusing him for walking out but he is back bringing in his own players and me for one am prepared to give him a second chance
Dave. For me it’s not an argument. We are just sharing different views and I respect yours. We are all Wrexham fans.

You know your stuff (Rooney/tilt loans, I forgot that).

You make some very good points and put it across well.

I agree on a lot of what you say about giving managers time. Wanting Keates back based on last time. Understanding his reason for leaving. I gave him a second chance.

I can’t back him anymore, no confidence he can turn it round. Negative football and excuses. The other posters have changed my mind, they make good points too.

We gave him his break in football management. How many out of work managers are their? And he left us in the lurch. That’s a stain that we can’t erase.

He has no track record of success. Any promotions? He might of if he didn’t shaft us. Would of been a club legend if he took us up. Maybe he should of thought of that? Or maybe he knew the wheels would come off his scraping 1-0 wins approach, he would get found out and so he cashed out.

No pressure Dean
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I'm not going to win this argument but dont forget once we were safe that season, DK loaned out our 2 best players, (Rooney & Tilt) both who having indicated they wouldn't sign a new deal at Wxm to help finance bringing the likes of Manny Smith & Pearson. It was the following season where we saw the improvement.

No one is saying he is a saviour, or excusing him for walking out but he is back bringing in his own players and me for one am prepared to give him a second chance
That is fair enough and you are of course entitled to your opinion and i certainly wont tell you that you are wrong. What i will say is you haven't convinced me at all that he is the right man. Stats are screaming at me that he hasn't improved and the all important eye test is boring me to death at games and is killing my enjoyment and sadly my passion for watching the team i used to love following up and down the country
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