Excuses, excuses

[dragonspark]

every monday morning i scrutinise the footy data in the daily post, it gives all the attendances and i regularly check the attendances of teams above us who regularly and historically get lower attendances than us, i do not have the paper with me now being wednesday but there are teams who always used to be below us, in league two,one and even the championship, there are teams at the higher reaches of both league two and one with lower attendances than Wrexham even with so many, like myself, still abstaining from games, there are also teams who are closer to the top than the bottom whose attendances are quite paltry given their position and we would embarrass them, attendance wise if we were in the same position.
This is not a new situation this has has gone on for years and while other teams less well supported survive in league football and even ascend their divisions we have declined, i understand that some clubs have a generous benefactor but we have had higher attendances and pay offs from ex payers, there is something wrong throughout
not just the football

[International]

Originally Posted by redinsaudi

I still can’t believe that Keates had the balls to ask for his old job back. It’s comical really. He’s never been good enough; his stats are appalling here and Walsall and that includes an excellent team when he left us. He was a very good player, no doubt there, but he couldn’t manage a fish supper.

I get what you are saying, but the stupid ones are the board, if they are dumb enough to hire him. HR have identified there is a hole to fill. His record last time was decent(ish), he's available...job done let's hire him. Problem solved. They have just looked at the black and white, without the merest hint of due dilligence...same as with Mills.

[redinsaudi]

Originally Posted by International

I get what you are saying, but the stupid ones are the board, if they are dumb enough to hire him. HR have identified there is a hole to fill. His record last time was decent(ish), he's available...job done let's hire him. Problem solved. They have just looked at the black and white, without the merest hint of due dilligence...same as with Mills.

His win % was only 34.2% saved by an appalling league that year and more draws than wins in his tenure. You can not polish a turd, stats do not lie and yes, I agree it’s the boards fault for re-employing their mate.

[davewilli]

Originally Posted by Haruki

Is anyone still behind Keates? The appointment seemed to split the fanbase relatively evenly when he re joined but I am Not seeing anyone supportive of him anymore

I am but I've had my say in the Yeovil reaction thread so no point continuously making the same points as many do in every thread.

For what it is worth in my opinion we are where we are because of the change over of managers and the knock on of constant changes in players. We are following the model set by so many other basket case chairmen who are not prepared to invest some TIME in a coach. DK probably wouldn't have been my choice but he is here now and probably is just as capable as the next man. There are bo guaranteed successful managers. I've lost count of the names quoted on here, who are great for a season or when they are being massively bankrolled or can talk the talk only to end up sacked or just plain average.

I'm not going to win on here with a call for some stability even after donkeys years of instability, that got us relegated and has stopped us from being successful in this league so let's just see how things plan out.

[Haruki]

Originally Posted by sparky

Personally I'd have had Morell in after Rickets left, well him or the available Askey, both ticked an awful lot of boxes unlike Messers Hughes and Lawrence.

How an earth those who appointed Hughes are still in power is beyond me.

Morell should have come in when Keates left. With just a handful of games it would have played to his strengths of man management and motivating the squad and wouldn’t have exposed his weaknesses in the transfer market

[Haruki]

Originally Posted by davewilli

I am but I've had my say in the Yeovil reaction thread so no point continuously making the same points as many do in every thread.

For what it is worth in my opinion we are where we are because of the change over of managers and the knock on of constant changes in players. We are following the model set by so many other basket case chairmen who are not prepared to invest some TIME in a coach. DK probably wouldn't have been my choice but he is here now and probably is just as capable as the next man. There are bo guaranteed successful managers. I've lost count of the names quoted on here, who are great for a season or when they are being massively bankrolled or can talk the talk only to end up sacked or just plain average.

I'm not going to win on here with a call for some stability even after donkeys years of instability, that got us relegated and has stopped us from being successful in this league so let's just see how things plan out.

I agree with your call for stability. I agree with most of what you say. However in a desperate hunt for stability you have to be careful not to stabilise around a poor option for stabilities sake. That is what we would be doing with Keates in my opinion. He is so far out of his depth tactically that it is frightening and his three managerial jobs all support that.
We have to get the boardroom right, then the managerial and coaching set ups right and then look for stability.

[Phils-an-alki]

Originally Posted by davewilli

I am but I've had my say in the Yeovil reaction thread so no point continuously making the same points as many do in every thread.

For what it is worth in my opinion we are where we are because of the change over of managers and the knock on of constant changes in players. We are following the model set by so many other basket case chairmen who are not prepared to invest some TIME in a coach. DK probably wouldn't have been my choice but he is here now and probably is just as capable as the next man. There are bo guaranteed successful managers. I've lost count of the names quoted on here, who are great for a season or when they are being massively bankrolled or can talk the talk only to end up sacked or just plain average.

I'm not going to win on here with a call for some stability even after donkeys years of instability, that got us relegated and has stopped us from being successful in this league so let's just see how things plan out.

This is ignoring the fact he is showing us that he isn't as capable as the next man.
There's a reason he hasn't pulled us clear of relegation, he can't put the blame on Hughes or the fans, its because he's a poor manager. Time isn't going to miraculously solve that. Time doesn't guarantee anything either.

The instability in clubs come from those running the club by the way not the fans. Fans can say who they want on a forum like this, its completely irrelevant and why you threw that in only you can explain but its meaningless. Fans on here by the way called the Hughes appointment as duff and also called Keates appointment as a disaster.

Supporting and backing failure is just mind boggling stuff. It isn't heroic, its just stupid.

[LlayDragon]

Originally Posted by Haruki

I agree with your call for stability. I agree with most of what you say. However in a desperate hunt for stability you have to be careful not to stabilise around a poor option for stabilities sake. That is what we would be doing with Keates in my opinion. He is so far out of his depth tactically that it is frightening and his three managerial jobs all support that.
We have to get the boardroom right, then the managerial and coaching set ups right and then look for stability.

Yep, all of this.

Stabilising around a crap manager isn't the answer.

[NottsRed]

Originally Posted by LlayDragon

Yep, all of this.

Stabilising around a crap manager isn't the answer.

That's why Keates has to go come the end of the season regardless of if we stay up or not.