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Old 27th March 2020, 15.03:03   #101-0 (permalink)
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How can you be ok with relegating Chorley and not Stevenage? For me voiding all the leagues is the fairest way. I would be pissed in barrow/Liverpool position but there are more important things going on.
This.

Once you have a two tier system based on the balance of probability for one club and not the other you are doomed.
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I am not OK with not relegating Stevenage, but this is the option with haviing no play-off matches and to replace Bury.
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For all football and that includes The National League. Looking ahead when relaxations start maybe football comes back at the point at which it started to stop. Played behind closed doors only at the top level, but with a Government directive to Sky, BT and Amazon to let it be screened free to air to all those millions still having to self isolate. Just a thought.
And if you've not got sky bt or Amazon there's always the dodgy box better picture than sky or bt for nothing.

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Whenever football restarts I think all outstanding fixtures should be completed. Never mind about next season,could even have a break from Cup games and play twice a week to catch up. I know a lot won’t agree but it’s the fairest way out. Would be a lot more for that outcome if Wrexham where in the top position.
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Whenever football restarts I think all outstanding fixtures should be completed. Never mind about next season,could even have a break from Cup games and play twice a week to catch up. I know a lot wonít agree but itís the fairest way out. Would be a lot more for that outcome if Wrexham where in the top position.
I thought this originally but, by the time this thing is over, I feel that many teams will look nothing like they do now thanks to contracts finishing and the overall effects of this virus. I don't think this mini season would reflect the whole season in any meaningful way. Scrub the whole thing and start again.
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I think if all teams survive the break we should rank all teams based on where they finish based on PPG.

Keep relegation and promotion numbers as per agreement at start of this season and also promote highest ranked team in a playoff position.

BUT:

If teams go broke and I think many will, we need to seriously readjust.
This is where the problem will be (Bury is just the start).

If this occurs, rank all teams on PPG and simply put them into divisions based on final positions this season.
I don't think it will take much to bankrupt 10 or more teams in the Football league and many more in the lower leagues.

This could get very interesting. Wrexham could actually benefit from the sound financial position it is in and theoretically actually end up in the footbal league (just need 18 clubs to fold). Im betting 17 will fold

Failed clubs could restart as AFC clubs in the lowest Pyramid leagues and work their way back.

Don't underestimate the impact of what we are going through....

In Australia our AFL, Rugby League and Football leagues are all suspended with players taking up to 90% pay cuts. And some clubs still expected to go broke. Sponsorships are being cut as is TV money. These are very interesting times.
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I’m a huge advocate of finishing this season before you start a new one. Contracts is a minor issue that can be resolved easily by the PFA en masses agreeing to extend all contracts to the new end of season, likewise with loans.
Take as long as it takes for it to be safe to play football again and whatever time is lost is adjusted from future football seasons but at least the required adjustments are known upfront and will be fair to all.
This is the only fair and honourable way to deal with the situation. Scrap the season, end it on current standings, PPG....all of these are grossly unfair to some teams. Not finishing this season will have repercussions that are moaned about for centuries just how Everton fans still moan about Hyseil preventing them playing in Europe. It will be dragged through the courts by clubs who will have lost millions from any other decision than finishing this season and they will have a very valid case as regardless of the extenuating circumstances the league will have chosen the wrong option when they could have played out the games to a natural conclusion.
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Iím a huge advocate of finishing this season before you start a new one. Contracts is a minor issue that can be resolved easily by the PFA en masses agreeing to extend all contracts to the new end of season, likewise with loans.
Take as long as it takes for it to be safe to play football again and whatever time is lost is adjusted from future football seasons but at least the required adjustments are known upfront and will be fair to all.
This is the only fair and honourable way to deal with the situation. Scrap the season, end it on current standings, PPG....all of these are grossly unfair to some teams. Not finishing this season will have repercussions that are moaned about for centuries just how Everton fans still moan about Hyseil preventing them playing in Europe. It will be dragged through the courts by clubs who will have lost millions from any other decision than finishing this season and they will have a very valid case as regardless of the extenuating circumstances the league will have chosen the wrong option when they could have played out the games to a natural conclusion.
We are in the minority so I guess we are wrong on balance, and I donít think it will go this way, but I completely agree with you.

To my mind, contracts can be extended, surely, with a few guidelines for clubs to adhere to.

Complete the current season, no matter when it is that it can recommence.

I would rather complete this season, and have all the promotions, relegations, and deserved champions crowned, than fret too much about starting a Next Season on time etc.

Like I say, not saying Iím right, but as Haruki says the fall out from this season being scrapped will never be forgotten, even though it has been suspended for the biggest of reasons ... it still makes sense to me to finish the season whenever possible, reschedule the following season afterwards.
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We are in the minority so I guess we are wrong on balance, and I donít think it will go this way, but I completely agree with you.

To my mind, contracts can be extended, surely, with a few guidelines for clubs to adhere to.

Complete the current season, no matter when it is that it can recommence.

I would rather complete this season, and have all the promotions, relegations, and deserved champions crowned, than fret too much about starting a Next Season on time etc.

Like I say, not saying Iím right, but as Haruki says the fall out from this season being scrapped will never be forgotten, even though it has been suspended for the biggest of reasons ... it still makes sense to me to finish the season whenever possible, reschedule the following season afterwards.
We are only in a minority on here because of Wrexham's situation. If you had the same discussion on a Barrow, Leeds or Liverpool page you would get a very different majority. Sadly many people are layered with unconscious biase and can't see the bigger picture.
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We are only in a minority on here because of Wrexham's situation. If you had the same discussion on a Barrow, Leeds or Liverpool page you would get a very different majority. Sadly many people are layered with unconscious biase and can't see the bigger picture.
In some cases yes I guess

But the biggest blocker I keep reading from the clubs is around players contracts

It seems to be the game breaker, literally

I would just like to think it would be simpler to resolve that, and complete the fixtures, than voiding the season

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