"It will all come out one day about what really went on" - Kevin Wilkin

[andy buckley]

[QUOTE=GiggityGiggityGiggityGoo;2359292]You said you know 3 people who saw what happened, sounds like they're lying, doesnt fit with the made up'official' story of the time.
BTW I thought it was also believed to be a made up story ad never happened or has this now changed hard to keep up��

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I have no reason to believe that someone I have known for years and works within the racecourse would decide to walk up to me and start telling me lies for no reason.

[-luke]

Originally Posted by northwalian dragon

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34654100


Found this old article

I don't like to appear like I'm siding with club representatives here but I'm not sure Wilkin should be taking the high ground over grey areas in contracts...

[Inside Left]

Originally Posted by northwalian dragon

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34654100


Found this old article

That article makes a statement that Wrexham is a 'Fully transparent club that is owned by the fans' clubs quote.
That is of course has been proved to be very misleading. Yes owned by the fans BUT fully transparent? They are kidding.

[Phils-an-alki]

Originally Posted by Inside Left

That article makes a statement that Wrexham is a 'Fully transparent club that is owned by the fans' clubs quote.
That is of course has been proved to be very misleading. Yes owned by the fans BUT fully transparent? They are kidding.

its not owned by the fans at all. How many times does this need to be explained?

[Inside Left]

Originally Posted by Phils-an-alki

its not owned by the fans at all. How many times does this need to be explained?

It is a food chain ownership
Members.....to,,,,,,

1 Management 'committee' elected by members plus those nominated.......to

2 Football board elected by members representatives (wst 'committee') plus those nominated. 2 named as directors at Companies House.......to

3 [Other company set up (without knowledge of members) with 2 named directors being Football board members and WST members.

Its the fan members who own the club - On that basis you could argue it the fan members to blame - All the decision making started with them at stage 1 above.

[Phils-an-alki]

Originally Posted by Inside Left

It is a food chain ownership
Members.....to,,,,,,

1 Management 'committee' elected by members plus those nominated.......to

2 Football board elected by members representatives (wst 'committee') plus those nominated. 2 named as directors at Companies House.......to

3 [Other company set up (without knowledge of members) with 2 named directors being Football board members and WST members.

Its the fan members who own the club - On that basis you could argue it the fan members to blame - All the decision making started with them at stage 1 above.

Members own nothing, so we are not owners, its that simple. If I owned part of the club I could sell my share. Members fund the club, that is all and this is the reality.
I don't care what the WST propaganda says and all of the above is flawed anyway, as we've seen.

Fans only elect to the WST board so I fail to see how members are to blame. Its the WST who appoint (themselves in some cases) onto the club board.

Its a pretty pointless debate anyway. If you really believe that you are a part owner then good luck with that.

[Prodigal Dragon]

Originally Posted by Inside Left

It is a food chain ownership
Members.....to,,,,,,

1 Management 'committee' elected by members plus those nominated.......to

2 Football board elected by members representatives (wst 'committee') plus those nominated. 2 named as directors at Companies House.......to

3 [Other company set up (without knowledge of members) with 2 named directors being Football board members and WST members.

Its the fan members who own the club - On that basis you could argue it the fan members to blame - All the decision making started with them at stage 1 above.

I think of the WST as a fans' co-operative. There is only one 'share', which is held by the WST executive on behalf of the WST membership.

Arguing about ownership of that 'one share' is academic.

However, whilst the WST members do have the ability to influence the WST executive through AGMs, votes and EGMs, the current system is -- by design or default -- biased towards what that executive wishes.

There is certainly a gap on RP between what the executive thinks is best for the club, and what most RP posters think and believe. Whether that gap is representative of most (75%) of WST members is currently unknown.

Before we drift off into a flight of fantasy, the fundamentals remain:

Is the football club successfully meeting its stated aim of promotion?

Categorically NOT!

Why is it not meeting that requirement?

Because of some bad luck but, more importantly, a lack of footballing nous amongst the Wrexham AFC Board members AND the WST Chairman's inability to supervise the Board and offer clear guidance when they went wrong.

What can we members do about it, other than whinge and moan?

Develop and present a credible alternative to what we currently have.

Have we done this?

I see lots of deserved whinging and moaning but no credible alternative other than the desire for change. That doesn't cut the mustard, I am afraid.

Therein lies the problem: urgent change is needed, but we must define what change can be achieved; how; by whom; and when. Until we get this sorted we will continue to dance merrily around the May-Pole, yet still be in the same mire next season.

PS I think the Wrexham AFC Board members have been in post too long, and we need a plan to rotate them out over time. Getting rid of everyone in a cull sounds appealing to some, but it is fraught with danger. Conversely, there is a danger if we carry on as we are; because some of those Board members and WST executives have lost credibility with the wider fan-base over how they have managed/mismanaged things these past few years.

[BillEBadass]

We've done to death as to whether we are a 'big' club or not - with regard to Wilkin we were too 'big' for him. He wasn't ready or able to assert his authority and he didn't have the experience or confidence to tell those that needed it to fcuk off out of the Club.

He did have some good qualities but they weren't in leadership - we will get nowhere until we get an experienced kick ass leader.

[Prodigal Dragon]

Originally Posted by BillEBadass

We've done to death as to whether we are a 'big' club or not - with regard to Wilkin we were too 'big' for him. He wasn't ready or able to assert his authority and he didn't have the experience or confidence to tell those that needed it to fcuk off out of the Club.

He did have some good qualities but they weren't in leadership - we will get nowhere until we get an experienced kick ass leader.

Agree 100%.

Nice guy but wrong for Wrexham.