Win percentages for Wrexham's non league managers

[Wrecsam91]

after seeing that list some people still want to keep keates i do despair sometimes

[davewilli]

Originally Posted by redinsaudi

Agree. Just to put things into perspective Morrell had a win % of 52.14. Keates has 34% both times.

Depends which way you look at it. Morrell did a good job inheriting a team that was winning home and away. Keates inherited teams in the lower half, heading in the wrong direction with only the January window to et players out and players in to turn things around. Since January this year Keates has a 50%win ratio, 1.6pts per game, which in my mind is enough to keep his job and save more upheaval in the dressing room. The time to judge Keates will be 6 to 8 weeks into a new season and after the benefit of a summer window.

[northwalian dragon]

Originally Posted by davewilli

Depends which way you look at it. Morrell did a good job inheriting a team that was winning home and away. Keates inherited teams in the lower half, heading in the wrong direction with only the January window to et players out and players in to turn things around. Since January this year Keates has a 50%win ratio, 1.6pts per game, which in my mind is enough to keep his job and save more upheaval in the dressing room. The time to judge Keates will be 6 to 8 weeks into a new season and after the benefit of a summer window.

Since January we've won 1, drawn 2, lost 2

From January 1st vs. Chorley we've won 4, Drawn 2 and Lost 3.

I get the point that you're trying to make but it is very selective.

Why choose to look at a specific 9 fixtures and ignore the other 93 games he's managed us for - or the other 60 at Walsall?

Granted we did improve but then took a steep decline by getting battered by Yeovil and putting in a god awful performance vs. Eastleigh. We signed some youngsters that had a decent couple of games and then went missing. It happens all the time. Jay Colbeck and Theo Bailey-Jones, both had amazing debuts and got us wins.


You say the reason to retain Keates is to save more upheaval, yet want to judge him after 6 weeks of the season and then potentially have a new manager come in and try and work with players he doesn't want, ship them out, pay them off, more money wasted as well as another season wasted.

Keates has had more than enough time to prove his worth. He hasn't. His whole career is based off three months of good results. We have a prolonged period of inactivity. The perfect opportunity to get our house in order.

I personally believe we won't achieve anything whilst divided and many actively against Keates having anything to do with our club. So for that reason he should be given the boot. Let alone his dire football, incredibly poor managerial record and poor history of signings.

[redinsaudi]

Originally Posted by davewilli

Depends which way you look at it. Morrell did a good job inheriting a team that was winning home and away. Keates inherited teams in the lower half, heading in the wrong direction with only the January window to et players out and players in to turn things around. Since January this year Keates has a 50%win ratio, 1.6pts per game, which in my mind is enough to keep his job and save more upheaval in the dressing room. The time to judge Keates will be 6 to 8 weeks into a new season and after the benefit of a summer window.

Disagree. Keates Has/had a bigger budget plus ‘build the budget’ Morrell had to slash his wages bill. We lost loads of possible signings because he wasn’t allowed to offer better contracts.

[davewilli]

Originally Posted by redinsaudi

Disagree. Keates Has/had a bigger budget plus ‘build the budget’ Morrell had to slash his wages bill. We lost loads of possible signings because he wasn’t allowed to offer better contracts.

Morrell inherited our best NL squad but agree he did well motivating that squad a d making the play offs 2 years running but once his budget was reduced we started to decline. ( In hindsight he should have got longer just like Wilkin). However we didn't look like a side who could seriously challenge for the promotion until BtB and Keates recruited the best defence in the NL.

[northwalian dragon]

Originally Posted by davewilli

However we didn't look like a side who could seriously challenge for the promotion until BtB and Keates recruited the best defence in the NL.

Based on three months of a season?

When Keates was first contacted by Walsall we'd won 3 out of our previous 14 games.

We couldn't score to save our lives that season - relegated Woking scored 6 more goals than us. We had the joint fourth worst goalscoring record.

The quality of the league was also very poor that season. A lot of those wins early on in the season were pure luck too.

[Phils-an-alki]

Hughes has a better record than Keates.

Let that sink in.

Beginning to think davewilli is Mrs Keates. Desperately scratching around trying to find someone to justify him being here. Embarrassing.

[moynkeepthefaith]

Originally Posted by Phils-an-alki

Hughes has a better record than Keates.

Let that sink in.

Beginning to think davewilli is Mrs Keates. Desperately scratching around trying to find someone to justify him being here. Embarrassing.

Keates brand of football is not for me and once made me apologise to my Chester fan brother for our tactics in a 1-0 win. However davewill is entitled to his opinion and his points are not to be ignored.
Like it or not I believe he (Keates not davewill) will be here start of the season and we will have to see what materialises ? I and i believe many other supporters will not turn against my manager at a game and particularly not at the beginning of a season. Its not being a nodding dog its just not what i go to football for and i cannot be part of creating an atmosphere that may affect my players performance so ,for me, its 100% support for 90 minutes and then time to reflect.
There are many things we need to put right at this club - for me most importantly our relationship with the DSA but creating a toxic atmosphere from game #1 makes no sense.

[KingBuxton_Forever red]

Originally Posted by davewilli

Depends which way you look at it. Morrell did a good job inheriting a team that was winning home and away. Keates inherited teams in the lower half, heading in the wrong direction with only the January window to et players out and players in to turn things around. Since January this year Keates has a 50%win ratio, 1.6pts per game, which in my mind is enough to keep his job and save more upheaval in the dressing room. The time to judge Keates will be 6 to 8 weeks into a new season and after the benefit of a summer window.

Any good salesman will tell you, you can manipulate stats any which way you want to fit your narrative. That's why things like this are a little misleading, they don't take into consideration the circumstances.

People bang on about Morrell, but the facts are he had a team of very good players who were already playing well. He just had to keep it ticking along. As a general rule of thumb the better players win more games.