Win percentages for Wrexham's non league managers

[davewilli]

Originally Posted by John Neals Dynasty

The board resist changing managers to soon, you're supporting Keates who when given the job we were told it was a 3 year project to get promotion, he was given a big budget supplemented with the begging bowls of build the budget.

3 years, first chance of jumping overboard after spending the fan money from BTB was disrespectful to the fans and the club for giving him his chance in management.

So bringing him back was also disrespectful to the fans.

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It happens all the time in football, players managers, its their ambition that makes it. Loyalty works both ways but managers are sacked at the drop of a hat, because we always think grass is greener. I would give Keates some credit and forgiveness for they he captained the side and it's not so long ago, he carried on playing with a broken collar bone, showing real commitment to the club.

[northwalian dragon]

Originally Posted by davewilli

It happens all the time in football, players managers, its their ambition that makes it. Loyalty works both ways but managers are sacked at the drop of a hat, because we always think grass is greener. I would give Keates some credit and forgiveness for they he captained the side and it's not so long ago, he carried on playing with a broken collar bone, showing real commitment to the club.

But does it happen under the circumstances that Keates left under? Giving him his first break in management, allowing him to play and study at the same time saving 3 years of his life, funding his degree, allowing him to blackmail the club for a new contract, sticking by him when he was leading a mutiny against Wilkin, paying him very well even when his legs had gone and he was a shadow of his former self, giving him an increased budget, fans raising £100,000 out of their own pockets, Keates leaving 6 weeks later, not even completing a full season (He hasn't completed a single season in his entire managerial career)

You can justify his reasons for leaving if you like, which I will most likely disagree with, but you can't justify him being brought back.

Can you name a manager in professional football who has left and been welcomed back? Some say Eddie Howe or Nathan Jones - both of who achieved great success before leaving and were rightly welcomed back. Keates has achieved nothing apart from the record of worst win percentage. Some record that though!

As for Keates' commitment to Wrexham AFC even as a player anyone that purposely disrupts and try to get the manager sacked is a sh*thouse. Let alone the captain of the club. Letting the club down just because he didn't like the manager. Keates cares about himself and himself only. Lets not be fooled into thinking he left because his only dream is to be at Walsall for life. He ditched them whilst club captain to sign for Peterbrough.

Let's do the right thing and boot him out the club.

[redinsaudi]

Originally Posted by Quay Red

Why be upset with the club, it's a fans optimistic view. Maybe overoptimistic but still valid. Certainly not apathetic (or he wouldn't have posted)

It is absolutely apathetic. ‘I didn’t want Keates but I’ll accept it’. If you don’t like it do something about it, don’t just roll over. Facta Non Verba leaps to my mind.

[AndyCobra]

This thread...

[sparky]

Originally Posted by AndyCobra

This thread...

I know. A thread discussing managers on a football forum, who'd of thought.

[Funny_Old_Game]

Originally Posted by KingBuxton_Forever red

Any good salesman will tell you, you can manipulate stats any which way you want to fit your narrative. That's why things like this are a little misleading, they don't take into consideration the circumstances.

People bang on about Morrell, but the facts are he had a team of very good players who were already playing well. He just had to keep it ticking along. As a general rule of thumb the better players win more games.

Morrell lost 3 major players in Speight, Pogba and NKP in the summer of 2012, then took us to the playoff final and won the Trophy. After he’d already lost Fowler and Obeng halfway through the 2011-12. That team people say he inherited was half taken apart by the end of it. He also lost Creighton for the whole 12-13 season after about 3 games.

I’d judge him more on 12-13 and look where he took us.

[mattw]

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[Lets Av A Riot]

Morrells win/loss ratio and PPG lowered each and every single transfer market....


as mentioned above.. Morrell inherited thee best squad we have had since down here.. that finished the season on 98 points. the squad he inhereited had the confidence and ability to continue with what they was doing.

its funny looking above at some defending Morrell.. yet i bet if we went back to the posts on here to when Morrel was in charge most the ones defending him now.. was probably slating him and calling for his head on a plate back then

[northwalian dragon]

Originally Posted by Lets Av A Riot

its funny looking above at some defending Morrell.. yet i bet if we went back to the posts on here to when Morrel was in charge most the ones defending him now.. was probably slating him and calling for his head on a plate back then

That's because our ambitions have changed. Not winning the league and then not winning the playoffs was a disappointment.

Now under Keates people are saying he's "done well" to keep us up thanks to a pandemic.

The clubs ambitions are dead in the water. That's why some people are so accepting of Keates.