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Old 29th June 2020, 08.50:48   #91-0 (permalink)
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Agree with most of that although off the field I think the Kop and training ground show a long term plan. A DoF has to be top of the list and first in the door for me as priority but agree that a holistic approach is most certainly required so Directors have one responsibility to which they are qualified.

There has to be a change in the way the club is run.

My fear is that there isnt the suitably qualified candidates for the club board (those operating at that level in their own business lives) to fill the vacancies.
I hope I am wrong as there is obviously an opportunity to do great things with the club on and off the field.

Without those new personnel....well it doesn't look good for the club and at present given the animosity it will be a tough ask.

Posters on here reply to me like I'm a cheerleader, I do believe at up to League one level we have the best model (if run properly) however, I think I have been more critical than most at the squandered opportunities the Trust have made. I just think that evolution is the only way forward for the sake oif the club not the trust...
If there isn't suitable personnel beyond those in situ to sit on the club board doesn't that sadly suggest that the current model is doomed to failure and is unsustainable?
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3pm . You say we have the best model or you believe we do ? . What evidence is there of this it’s been constant failure .
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Agree with most of that although off the field I think the Kop and training ground show a long term plan. A DoF has to be top of the list and first in the door for me as priority but agree that a holistic approach is most certainly required so Directors have one responsibility to which they are qualified.

There has to be a change in the way the club is run.

My fear is that there isnt the suitably qualified candidates for the club board (those operating at that level in their own business lives) to fill the vacancies.
I hope I am wrong as there is obviously an opportunity to do great things with the club on and off the field.

Without those new personnel....well it doesn't look good for the club and at present given the animosity it will be a tough ask.

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I also agree with BV.

The 75% is a bigger danger to the club than is generally realized.

It stifles alternative views and alienates frustrated fans. There is no outlet for grievances. It greatly constrains the flexibility and agility required to successfully run and sustain a modern business.

If we believe LJ,the 75% prevents a schism. Really!!!

If you turn it around, it means 25.1% can do as they like and to hell with anything or anybody else.

Just changing the 75% to 60%, would make a huge difference and be more democratic than what we are now.

Re suitably qualified candidates you are right to be fearful because I will be truly amazed if anyone of the required calibre would be prepared to operate working under the constitutional constraints and having no power to deal with any residual "old school thinking" emanating from the likes of SH, LJ or their clones.

In the real world we are stuck with them like or not.

Most of us do not like it but that clearly does not bother the Teflon brigade.
Fans owned club. Really? I think most of us now know that it is simply not true. The WST own the club so THEY can do what they like and bugger the fans.
Old 29th June 2020, 08.58:54   #94-0 (permalink)
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I think Wimbledon have done fan ownership much better so I disagree with the best mode statement and through it have attracted the calibre of person that you describe as lacking. They also have a pragmatic approach to their capital structure which has allowed them to not only rise through the leagues but plan for a new ground while creating the sort of sporting infrastructure needed for success.
As I say I'd rather people have opinions and you are putting across positive suggestions. I wouldn't personally rule out anything at the moment. I think our location makes Wimbledon comparisons (demographic massively different at a guess) a little hard but I agree in principal.

Tranmere have shown where the limitation lies (League 1) for a pretty much sustainable model with their investment strategy recently from I think Malaysia. The clubs success is the most important thing to me paired with security. Its not ideology its practicality until unpractical. As stated again and again we have to spend our money wisely and we are obviously not in football affairs.
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Old 29th June 2020, 09.03:13   #95-0 (permalink)
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I also agree with BV.

The 75% is a bigger danger to the club than is generally realized.

It stifles alternative views and alienates frustrated fans. There is no outlet for grievances. It greatly constrains the flexibility and agility required to successfully run and sustain a modern business.

If we believe LJ,the 75% prevents a schism. Really!!!

If you turn it around, it means 25.1% can do as they like and to hell with anything or anybody else.

Just changing the 75% to 60%, would make a huge difference and be more democratic than what we are now.

Re suitably qualified candidates you are right to be fearful because I will be truly amazed if anyone of the required calibre would be prepared to operate working under the constitutional constraints and having no power to deal with any residual "old school thinking" emanating from the likes of SH, LJ or their clones.

In the real world we are stuck with them like or not.

Most of us do not like it but that clearly does not bother the Teflon brigade.
Fans owned club. Really? I think most of us now know that it is simply not true. The WST own the club so THEY can do what they like and bugger the fans.
Spencer and Gavin are up for election. Its first past the post so if the fans vote for them they are in. We are not stuck with anyone.
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Old 29th June 2020, 09.06:00   #96-0 (permalink)
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Just a little OT here for 3pmsat , do you own Kings Lynn and if so why do you say my club when you refer to Wrexham fc on here , is there not a conflict of interest now Kings Lynn are in this division .
Old 29th June 2020, 09.06:52   #97-0 (permalink)
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3pm . You say we have the best model or you believe we do ? . What evidence is there of this it’s been constant failure .
Apologies, caveat if run properly. I do 100% believe in the model but due I suspect again to lack of qualified personnel and probably power/role retention at the top we aren't making that model work. Same with any model. Its down to the folk making the decisions.
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Old 29th June 2020, 09.12:16   #98-0 (permalink)
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Spencer and Gavin are up for election. Its first past the post so if the fans vote for them they are in. We are not stuck with anyone.
The maths makes it highly unlikely that they won't get in even if their was a mass revolt. The number of candidates needed to stop them is likely in excess of the reasonable number of votes available to propel them all over the two of them even with a record turnout. That's assuming there is even enough candidates.

And even if they were removed, there is nothing to stop them simply being co-opted back on.
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Just a little OT here for 3pmsat , do you own Kings Lynn and if so why do you say my club when you refer to Wrexham fc on here , is there not a conflict of interest now Kings Lynn are in this division .
Ha thats too funny, although my hair at the moment looks a bit like his.
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