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Old 9th July 2020, 15.40:44   #208-0 (permalink)
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I think the 'well meaning' angle falls down when you consider the deceit, treatment of the DSA, handling of the second disabled platform and treatment of individual fans (attempting to get them sacked, leaking information about their families etc).

I agree with the rest of your quote though.
It is sad the way things have turned out in the past. Hopefully they learn from their mistakes, seek more revenue streams without which the future looks bleak.
Old 9th July 2020, 16.40:10   #209-0 (permalink)
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Did he say 'they brought international football back to the Racecourse' as if that's something to be excited about. What one meaningless friendly with Trinidad?
Jesus RobG your are really scraping the barrel there. Laughable.

You can bleat all you want, the regime you love is so toxic,secretive and borderline corrupt and true Wrexham FC fans have had enough. You WST fans really do need to go and start your own club up. Blame fans all you want but it won't wash nor will it make any difference, because its just diversion tactics that most can see right through.

Isn't amazing that just prior to elections all this cult members come crawling out of the woodwork.
Yes, I do think that staging a Wales International again at the Racecourse was important, on a number of levels.

First, it gave a lot of Wales fans In North Wales the chance to see the team.
Second, it raised the profile of the town as a host for an international fixture
Third, and most important, it highlighted the need for investment in a stadium in Wrexham to host future games, either stand alone fixtures or as part of a bid for hosting international events, whether rugby or football.

So it had an important part to play in the regeneration process for the Racecourse and it’s surrounds, which could be very good for the clubs future.
Old 9th July 2020, 16.52:51   #210-0 (permalink)
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I get that lots of people have grievances but don't want to stand for election to the WST board.

However, what I would add to Wirral Red's point is that I manage a fairly large team of people where I work. In my team I welcome change, but framed in a positive way - I want people to have done some analysis and to suggest changes evidenced by research and facts, and to demonstrate why their proposed solution would be better than the status-quo. I've personally experienced the fact that change without a clear vision of an end-state often leads from the frying pan to the fire.

What really doesn't work is people who complain, but then are not willing to lean into the work of making change happen, or to propose a defined solution. In my experience, in the end, those people ultimately don't get anywhere and become sidelined.
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I get that lots of people have grievances but don't want to stand for election to the WST board.

However, what I would add to Wirral Red's point is that I manage a fairly large team of people where I work. In my team I welcome change, but framed in a positive way - I want people to have done some analysis and to suggest changes evidenced by research and facts, and to demonstrate why their proposed solution would be better than the status-quo. I've personally experienced the fact that change without a clear vision of an end-state often leads from the frying pan to the fire.

What really doesn't work is people who complain, but then are not willing to lean into the work of making change happen, or to propose a defined solution. In my experience, in the end, those people ultimately don't get anywhere and become sidelined.
I think for your approach to work one must initially be open to change.
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Old 9th July 2020, 17.07:03   #212-0 (permalink)
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I get that lots of people have grievances but don't want to stand for election to the WST board.

However, what I would add to Wirral Red's point is that I manage a fairly large team of people where I work. In my team I welcome change, but framed in a positive way - I want people to have done some analysis and to suggest changes evidenced by research and facts, and to demonstrate why their proposed solution would be better than the status-quo. I've personally experienced the fact that change without a clear vision of an end-state often leads from the frying pan to the fire.

What really doesn't work is people who complain, but then are not willing to lean into the work of making change happen, or to propose a defined solution. In my experience, in the end, those people ultimately don't get anywhere and become sidelined.
I'm really glad you engage with the people you welcome change from. I wish the WST board would do the same thing. I had follow-up suggestions to make based on answers to questions that were in those NWD asked back in December; if they ever answer them I'll make those suggestions.

Similarly, there are people who've done things democratically - like the guys who proposed the second platform motion - who have themselves become sidelined despite the defined solution they put forward.

With the board picking and choosing what questions they answer and what motions they carry out, and the way that they can simply coopt people back on if voting doesn't go as they want, I'm not sure there's all that much we can do to make change happen.
Old 9th July 2020, 17.49:46   #213-0 (permalink)
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I get that lots of people have grievances but don't want to stand for election to the WST board.

However, what I would add to Wirral Red's point is that I manage a fairly large team of people where I work. In my team I welcome change, but framed in a positive way - I want people to have done some analysis and to suggest changes evidenced by research and facts, and to demonstrate why their proposed solution would be better than the status-quo. I've personally experienced the fact that change without a clear vision of an end-state often leads from the frying pan to the fire.

What really doesn't work is people who complain, but then are not willing to lean into the work of making change happen, or to propose a defined solution. In my experience, in the end, those people ultimately don't get anywhere and become sidelined.
I've done my analysis over the last eight years and all I know is ANYTHING would be better than this, anything. I mean what on earth would we miss? Why would anyone want to protect this current system, a system that's taken us to our lowest place in history, years of footballing disasters and embarrassing displays and players?

Why would anyone be hesitant to let go of disaster? What are people scared of exactly? The only thing worse than this is liquidation.
Why can't the WST nuts just pull out and set up a club of their own in the league of Wales or a pin league for god sake, just let us have our club back.
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Old 9th July 2020, 17.55:02   #214-0 (permalink)
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I get that lots of people have grievances but don't want to stand for election to the WST board.

However, what I would add to Wirral Red's point is that I manage a fairly large team of people where I work. In my team I welcome change, but framed in a positive way - I want people to have done some analysis and to suggest changes evidenced by research and facts, and to demonstrate why their proposed solution would be better than the status-quo. I've personally experienced the fact that change without a clear vision of an end-state often leads from the frying pan to the fire.

What really doesn't work is people who complain, but then are not willing to lean into the work of making change happen, or to propose a defined solution. In my experience, in the end, those people ultimately don't get anywhere and become sidelined.
Which is a sound principle when things are going right. But the club is in serious danger of going bust. Having the same people make the same mistakes over and over again won't solve any of our huge issues
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I've done my analysis over the last eight years and all I know is ANYTHING would be better than this, anything. I mean what on earth would we miss? Why would anyone want to protect this current system, a system that's taken us to our lowest place in history, years of footballing disasters and embarrassing displays and players?

Why would anyone be hesitant to let go of disaster?
That's exactly what doesn't work in a normal business setting - no offence.

Clearly lots of things are worse than our current structure.

I'd encourage those who want a change to come up with a solution that that can be proposed to the owners of the club, with reasons why it would be preferable to the status quo.
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Which is a sound principle when things are going right. But the club is in serious danger of going bust. Having the same people make the same mistakes over and over again won't solve any of our huge issues
No, it's just a sound principle.
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