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Old 30th June 2020, 10.15:09   #1-0 (permalink)
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Those of you still clinging to the faint hope of change should claim back your refund when the opportunity finally arises. And make sure the club know why you are doing it.

The Unwise Men (and their followers) have shown they have no interest in stepping down or seek a viable alternative.

The difference between them and other egomaniacal owners is that our board don't even invest their own money into the charade. They are happy to ignore valid criticism, silence dissenting voices and continue to machinate their way to power. And most importantly, to keep wasting everyone else's cash to ensure the circus remains in town.

The only way to enforce change is monetarily. Claim back your refund.
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Those of you still clinging to the faint hope of change should claim back your refund when the opportunity finally arises. And make sure the club know why you are doing it.

The Unwise Men (and their followers) have shown they have no interest in stepping down or seek a viable alternative.

The difference between them and other egomaniacal owners is that our board don't even invest their own money into the charade. They are happy to ignore valid criticism, silence dissenting voices and continue to machinate their way to power. And most importantly, to keep wasting everyone else's cash to ensure the circus remains in town.

The only way to enforce change is monetarily. Claim back your refund.

Yet more false news from the activists who are determined to undermine the stability of our great club!!! (See detail in BOLD above)


If you are a supporter of Wrexham AFC, and are not relying on a Season Ticket Refund to support yourself and your family, please don't request any money back, or you will be effectively shooting yourself (or your favourite recreation) in the foot.

Cartman: You are wrong. You are guilty of spreading untruths!!

In order to be a director of the governing body, every one of them has to be a paid-up member of the WST, just like every other member. You can bet your life that some of them (even if not all of them perhaps) will be contributing more than the minimum amount, to say nothing of the value of the volunteer work that they carry out.

In making your ridiculous and untrue statement, has it occurred to you that when grants are available for certain projects, but "match-funding" is required, i.e. an equal amount to be contributed by the club to balance the amount awarded in the grant, then the equivalent cash value of the award is accepted by the awarding bodies based upon the hours worked on a voluntary basis (at a rate appropriate to the task NOT the volunteer's normal pay rate in his/her "day job, "as well as any actual financial contribution?

That is one of the advantages of the status of the governing body not being a privately owned business, and real recognition of the work carried out by those who volunteer.

Why claim a refund if you love the club? If you do it to spite someone who you have been convinced is not worthy of holding a Board position, then depleting the club's finances is not going to hurt that person - but it will definitely hurt the club that you are supporting, which makes no sense at all.

If, on the other hand, you are in a situation where a refund is vital to you and your loved ones, then do make your request. Remember that not every club is offering refunds to its ST holders: Even Premier League Newcastle United is one example.

(NB. it is a legal requirement for every club to OFFER refunds to ST holders, but if the offer is declined, then MAKING refunds is not compulsory for the clubs involved.)
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Old 30th June 2020, 12.12:42   #3-0 (permalink)
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Yet more false news from the activists who are determined to undermine the stability of our great club!!! (See detail in BOLD above)


If you are a supporter of Wrexham AFC, and are not relying on a Season Ticket Refund to support yourself and your family, please don't request any money back, or you will be effectively shooting yourself (or your favourite recreation) in the foot.

Cartman: You are wrong. You are guilty of spreading untruths!!

In order to be a director of the governing body, every one of them has to be a paid-up member of the WST, just like every other member. You can bet your life that some of them (even if not all of them perhaps) will be contributing more than the minimum amount, to say nothing of the value of the volunteer work that they carry out.

In making your ridiculous and untrue statement, has it occurred to you that when grants are available for certain projects, but "match-funding" is required, i.e. an equal amount to be contributed by the club to balance the amount awarded in the grant, then the equivalent cash value of the award is accepted by the awarding bodies based upon the hours worked on a voluntary basis (at a rate appropriate to the task NOT the volunteer's normal pay rate in his/her "day job, "as well as any actual financial contribution?

That is one of the advantages of the status of the governing body not being a privately owned business, and real recognition of the work carried out by those who volunteer.

Why claim a refund if you love the club? If you do it to spite someone who you have been convinced is not worthy of holding a Board position, then depleting the club's finances is not going to hurt that person - but it will definitely hurt the club that you are supporting, which makes no sense at all.

If, on the other hand, you are in a situation where a refund is vital to you and your loved ones, then do make your request. Remember that not every club is offering refunds to its ST holders: Even Premier League Newcastle United is one example.

(NB. it is a legal requirement for every club to OFFER refunds to ST holders, but if the offer is declined, then MAKING refunds is not compulsory for the clubs involved.)
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Old 30th June 2020, 12.26:39   #4-0 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by The Only Way Is Up View Post
Yet more false news from the activists who are determined to undermine the stability of our great club!!! (See detail in BOLD above)


If you are a supporter of Wrexham AFC, and are not relying on a Season Ticket Refund to support yourself and your family, please don't request any money back, or you will be effectively shooting yourself (or your favourite recreation) in the foot.

Cartman: You are wrong. You are guilty of spreading untruths!!

In order to be a director of the governing body, every one of them has to be a paid-up member of the WST, just like every other member. You can bet your life that some of them (even if not all of them perhaps) will be contributing more than the minimum amount, to say nothing of the value of the volunteer work that they carry out.

In making your ridiculous and untrue statement, has it occurred to you that when grants are available for certain projects, but "match-funding" is required, i.e. an equal amount to be contributed by the club to balance the amount awarded in the grant, then the equivalent cash value of the award is accepted by the awarding bodies based upon the hours worked on a voluntary basis (at a rate appropriate to the task NOT the volunteer's normal pay rate in his/her "day job, "as well as any actual financial contribution?

That is one of the advantages of the status of the governing body not being a privately owned business, and real recognition of the work carried out by those who volunteer.

Why claim a refund if you love the club? If you do it to spite someone who you have been convinced is not worthy of holding a Board position, then depleting the club's finances is not going to hurt that person - but it will definitely hurt the club that you are supporting, which makes no sense at all.

If, on the other hand, you are in a situation where a refund is vital to you and your loved ones, then do make your request. Remember that not every club is offering refunds to its ST holders: Even Premier League Newcastle United is one example.

(NB. it is a legal requirement for every club to OFFER refunds to ST holders, but if the offer is declined, then MAKING refunds is not compulsory for the clubs involved.)
volunteers are great but our volunteers that sit on both boards in the main are shite and keep going from one calamity to another.
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Old 30th June 2020, 12.29:09   #5-0 (permalink)
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Yet more false news from the activists who are determined to undermine the stability of our great club!!! (See detail in BOLD above)


If you are a supporter of Wrexham AFC, and are not relying on a Season Ticket Refund to support yourself and your family, please don't request any money back, or you will be effectively shooting yourself (or your favourite recreation) in the foot.

Cartman: You are wrong. You are guilty of spreading untruths!!

In order to be a director of the governing body, every one of them has to be a paid-up member of the WST, just like every other member. You can bet your life that some of them (even if not all of them perhaps) will be contributing more than the minimum amount, to say nothing of the value of the volunteer work that they carry out.

In making your ridiculous and untrue statement, has it occurred to you that when grants are available for certain projects, but "match-funding" is required, i.e. an equal amount to be contributed by the club to balance the amount awarded in the grant, then the equivalent cash value of the award is accepted by the awarding bodies based upon the hours worked on a voluntary basis (at a rate appropriate to the task NOT the volunteer's normal pay rate in his/her "day job, "as well as any actual financial contribution?

That is one of the advantages of the status of the governing body not being a privately owned business, and real recognition of the work carried out by those who volunteer.

Why claim a refund if you love the club? If you do it to spite someone who you have been convinced is not worthy of holding a Board position, then depleting the club's finances is not going to hurt that person - but it will definitely hurt the club that you are supporting, which makes no sense at all.

If, on the other hand, you are in a situation where a refund is vital to you and your loved ones, then do make your request. Remember that not every club is offering refunds to its ST holders: Even Premier League Newcastle United is one example.

(NB. it is a legal requirement for every club to OFFER refunds to ST holders, but if the offer is declined, then MAKING refunds is not compulsory for the clubs involved.)
Eight years of the worst football in our history, my football mad eight year old doesn't want to come anymore. Whatever they're doing it's a disaster and at any other business or football club change would have happened, but they hold on to power, it's what they crave and they will destroy our once proud club, that already have. They've turned our club into and embarrassing mess. Bottom of the conference courtesy of the WST.
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Old 30th June 2020, 12.53:07   #6-0 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by The Only Way Is Up View Post
Yet more false news from the activists who are determined to undermine the stability of our great club!!! (See detail in BOLD above)


If you are a supporter of Wrexham AFC, and are not relying on a Season Ticket Refund to support yourself and your family, please don't request any money back, or you will be effectively shooting yourself (or your favourite recreation) in the foot.

Cartman: You are wrong. You are guilty of spreading untruths!!

In order to be a director of the governing body, every one of them has to be a paid-up member of the WST, just like every other member. You can bet your life that some of them (even if not all of them perhaps) will be contributing more than the minimum amount, to say nothing of the value of the volunteer work that they carry out.

In making your ridiculous and untrue statement, has it occurred to you that when grants are available for certain projects, but "match-funding" is required, i.e. an equal amount to be contributed by the club to balance the amount awarded in the grant, then the equivalent cash value of the award is accepted by the awarding bodies based upon the hours worked on a voluntary basis (at a rate appropriate to the task NOT the volunteer's normal pay rate in his/her "day job, "as well as any actual financial contribution?

That is one of the advantages of the status of the governing body not being a privately owned business, and real recognition of the work carried out by those who volunteer.

Why claim a refund if you love the club? If you do it to spite someone who you have been convinced is not worthy of holding a Board position, then depleting the club's finances is not going to hurt that person - but it will definitely hurt the club that you are supporting, which makes no sense at all.

If, on the other hand, you are in a situation where a refund is vital to you and your loved ones, then do make your request. Remember that not every club is offering refunds to its ST holders: Even Premier League Newcastle United is one example.

(NB. it is a legal requirement for every club to OFFER refunds to ST holders, but if the offer is declined, then MAKING refunds is not compulsory for the clubs involved.)

Your paragraph re matched funding is interesting.

I have keenly followed the Trusts and SD as it was for many a long year now. I have yet to see any reference until now that 'Match funding' has been utilised or indeed can utilised against volunteer work.

I would be grateful if you could Point out instances where this has happened in the case of Wrexham Trust or Club. I would assume volunteer hours would have to be recored and value assessed. Who have the WST and Club received funds from and when? Looking forward to being informed.

Again I have yet to see any reference re: costed volunteer hours - Other than the debate re IT work carried out by a director. Which was an interesting valuation in itself and not included in any accounts.

Re the season ticket refund ; That is a matter between the Club and customer.
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Old 30th June 2020, 12.59:19   #7-0 (permalink)
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I wondered when RP's version of David Icke would be back stinking the place out.
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Old 30th June 2020, 13.00:48   #8-0 (permalink)
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Your paragraph re matched funding is interesting.

I have keenly followed the Trusts and SD as it was for many a long year now. I have yet to see any reference until now that 'Match funding' has been utilised or indeed can utilised against volunteer work.

I would be grateful if you could Point out instances where this has happened in the case of Wrexham Trust or Club. I would assume volunteer hours would have to be recored and value assessed. Who have the WST and Club received funds from and when? Looking forward to being informed.

Again I have yet to see any reference re: costed volunteer hours - Other than the debate re IT work carried out by a director. Which was an interesting valuation in itself and not included in any accounts.

Re the season ticket refund ; That is a matter between the Club and customer.
This. The DSA were never asked about hours put in when platform one was built. We did volunteer the 50% match funding in cash though. Shame we did not know that we could have counted the hours spent volunteering on the project!
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Old 30th June 2020, 13.18:43   #9-0 (permalink)
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Yet more false news from the activists who are determined to undermine the stability of our great club!!! (See detail in BOLD above)

Cartman: You are wrong. You are guilty of spreading untruths!!

In order to be a director of the governing body, every one of them has to be a paid-up member of the WST, just like every other member. You can bet your life that some of them (even if not all of them perhaps) will be contributing more than the minimum amount, to say nothing of the value of the volunteer work that they carry out. .)
Oh so as long as the board pay their £12 subs and buy their own season ticket it gives them carte blanche to ruin the experience for most sane fans. You know full well what I was getting at but tried to deflect away from the issue by boring everyone half to death with a load of drivel that I'm pretty sure there's no record of happening in the first place.
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Old 30th June 2020, 13.20:06   #10-0 (permalink)
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Appointment of Linsey Jones and his ensuing declaration of war convinced me to get the money back. Up till then I was going to let them keep it.
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