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Old 25th July 2020, 09.27:14   #41-0 (permalink)
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Just seems ridiculous and pointless when the, much underused Colliiers Park.. a State of the art facility is 2 miles down the road. Is there no association whatsoever between the FA of Wales and Wrexham Football Club?
I have raised this issue before an there has yet to be a rational explanation as to why we train in a field when our national association has Premier League standard facilities on our doorstep.
Something does not add up here.. is it Wales FA or our board.. or both?
Must be a fallout. How else do you explain such a ridiculous situation where we canít use such a facility, being the local club?

How much does it cost to hire a pitch there, anyone know?
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Old 25th July 2020, 09.34:25   #42-0 (permalink)
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I think you need to compare the price of agricultural land like for like, hope mountain and the dee Vally are poles apart, £10,000 - £15,000 per acre for parcels of up to 10 acres of flat land is about right to the east of wrexham. 5 acres of rough land has just sold in marchweil for £63.500. Recently I have paid more than £15,000 per acre for a small parcel ..... they aint making any more of it!

costings aside I think this is the wrong time and will stretch the club too far.
It does say around Wrexham, so isn't factually correct, the land in Cefn Y Bedd is reasonably flat but like Groves will need leveling off. 6 or so acres was available in Rossett for £60k which was as flat as the Groves.
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No way can you get a building like that done for 300k. Will it be a gym inside? What about all the equipment needed?

How much was Colliers to buy from Glyndwr? £1m?

But this is Harris legacy, this is what he wants above all. Itíll be done on the cheap using their mates and end up looking like the infamous Jones Bar.

Still no reason why we canít have an arrangement with the Welsh FA on Colliers, it is an absurd arrangement that thereís a facility like that and the local club is not using it. Like others I have NEVER seen anyone there during the day.

Obviously thereís been a fall out and we are not allowed there for whatever reason.

You can get a cattle shed as big as that for around £100k I'm told fully cladded, it'll be little more than that or a few shipping containers joined together and repurposed.
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Being in the town has never been more important..It's these out of town business parks that have killed the town centres itself and reduced to boarded up windows..Surely this is a community facility and may generate revenue...
No good having state of the art pitches miles outside that is used for a couple of hours a few times a week...The only way clubs are going to survive now is through business models that provide inclusion to the wider community..The legendary Groves site is being saved for the purpose of the town football team and not some flats or dolls houses thrown up in no time..
I would question that the cost of a 4 g pitch does seem low but they do state it can be added to over time
I haven't got a problem and welcome it...Get on with a new training ground and redeveloped Kop ..I haven't got years to moan about something else for the sake of it
Agreed, we should just get on with it. We need our own facilities and building on a partnership with WBC has got to be good for the town and the club. Developing training facilities and the Racecourse, to anything like the standards before the arrival of the asset strippers that otherwise may have taken decades to achieve, if at all, a partnership with WBC, WAG and Glyndwr is going to be critical.
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You can get a cattle shed as big as that for around £100k I'm told fully cladded, it'll be little more than that or a few shipping containers joined together and repurposed.
But thatís not what theyíve drawn and detailed in the presentation.

My fear is that the board believe they can build what theyíve detailed for that budget.

Thatís before we get onto it being a waste of money as the site isnít big enough!
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Agreed, we should just get on with it. We need our own facilities and building on a partnership with WBC has got to be good for the town and the club. Developing training facilities and the Racecourse, to anything like the standards before the arrival of the asset strippers that otherwise may have taken decades to achieve, if at all, a partnership with WBC, WAG and Glyndwr is going to be critical.
Money is ringfenced for this scheme so we have to re-sign Dibble and Rutherford and get relegated.
End up part time.
However we have good links with the Council and all is okay.
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But that’s not what they’ve drawn and detailed in the presentation.

My fear is that the board believe they can build what they’ve detailed for that budget.

That’s before we get onto it being a waste of money as the site isn’t big enough!
A council owned Gym near me recently was fully refurbished at a cost of £240k. Using that figure, the figures given seem well out.
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Money is ringfenced for this scheme so we have to re-sign Dibble and Rutherford and get relegated.
End up part time.
However we have good links with the Council and all is okay.
Got a gut feeling we're taking the site on to get kudos with the council to help aid the Kop redevelopment.
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There seems to be a lot of extra costs in the small print. The first £10,000 of the costs(payment to beneficiaries) of removing/modifying the restrictive covenant to be borne by Wrexham Football Club, should this be applicable.
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The legendary Groves site is being saved for the purpose of the town football team and not some flats or dolls houses thrown up in no time..
What interest is there for the club in 'saving the groves', and saved from what exactly?

It does raise a secondary point, are we going to be the leading reason for the legal challenge to lifting of the much debated covenant on the site, and is that just the field or will it be the building too - and will that magically aid redevelopment plans for that?

There is strong feeling over the topic locally, so what happens if that challenge is lost? The doom and gloom Plan B option to assess other sites will have to come into play regardless as we get booted off the 9 Acre for the school.

There is a scenario that we help get the covenant lifted, exercise break clause in 10 years time, and suddenly there is a valuable piece of land in the town centre ripe as you say for dolls houses / flats. Is that the 'saving' you mean?
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