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Old 1st August 2020, 09.33:46   #11-0 (permalink)
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Quay Red specifically says he believes it’s happened, so not sure why you think he’s saying people are lying. I 100% believe it happened; however I don’t think Four Four Two or anyone similar will go near it without evidence because there’s too much of a risk legally. Agree it would be great to see the full story come out and if people are able to share evidence it would be fantastic.
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So those fans who've said this has happened and mentioned it here are lying then?
Exactly the opposite of what he said !!
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Problem is that there is no hard evidence. I firmly believe that some fans have been victims of a campaign to discredit them in the past and it appears that employers have been contacted but unless the evidence of that has been saved, it's just hearsay.
I think in the scenario where you're dragged into your employers office or HR department, no matter the circumstances, there is often an element of panic... Its your livelihood, your means of supporting your family. Imagine the situation, being told that your job is at risk because of something you've said about the way a football club is running on a social media platform totally unrelated to your employer... The last thing on your mind is most likely the thought to ask for written evidence of the complaint allegation. Once it's all put to bed, can you imagine going back and raking it up to ask for copies of the correspondence or a written report from HR detailing the event. Not an easy thing to do. Id not believe it myself, but I've known one of the people who has made such a claim since I was about 11, and they are not the sort of person to make something up for attention or any other reason.

It's a spiteful mindset. When I was in sixth form (so long ago now) while RP was managed by someone else, my username was registered using my college email as at home I didn't have a computer or access to the Internet. I made a stupid throwaway comment that wasn't offensive in nature, I shouldn't have said it, but the RP admin at that time reported it to the college and I lost my Internet access. I'm not drawing a direct comparison just highlighting that there is a type of person who takes pleasure in wielding some kind of power over others.

Anyway back on track... I truly wish that someone who has experienced this is somehow in a position to obtain written evidence supporting the allegations because surely this needs to have a line drawn under it at some point. Even a report from HR detailing the investigation would serve as evidence and I'm certain you're entitled to ask for this?
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So those fans who've said this has happened and mentioned it here are lying then?
What I do know is one football board member was according to Twitter in Slovakia, due to how it works it changes lanaguage setting based on which country you're in. So, if you were to search on Google for a specific person and a VPN they were using was based in Slovakia, it comes up in Slovakian rather than English for the person searching. Ultimately this does not affect the users experience nor should they see any difference in language.

I'm bot sure how you can be in Slovakia for weeks and be tweeting views from the office along the north Wales coast. Screenshots are available.

Suspicions have surrounded that person for sometime regarding emailing employers and other such Internet based hate crime. Doesnt help I'm told they go around openly bragging about it.

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I think in the scenario where you're dragged into your employers office or HR department, no matter the circumstances, there is often an element of panic... Its your livelihood, your means of supporting your family. Imagine the situation, being told that your job is at risk because of something you've said about the way a football club is running on a social media platform totally unrelated to your employer... The last thing on your mind is most likely the thought to ask for written evidence of the complaint allegation. Once it's all put to bed, can you imagine going back and raking it up to ask for copies of the correspondence or a written report from HR detailing the event. Not an easy thing to do. Id not believe it myself, but I've known one of the people who has made such a claim since I was about 11, and they are not the sort of person to make something up for attention or any other reason.

It's a spiteful mindset. When I was in sixth form (so long ago now) while RP was managed by someone else, my username was registered using my college email as at home I didn't have a computer or access to the Internet. I made a stupid throwaway comment that wasn't offensive in nature, I shouldn't have said it, but the RP admin at that time reported it to the college and I lost my Internet access. I'm not drawing a direct comparison just highlighting that there is a type of person who takes pleasure in wielding some kind of power over others.

Anyway back on track... I truly wish that someone who has experienced this is somehow in a position to obtain written evidence supporting the allegations because surely this needs to have a line drawn under it at some point. Even a report from HR detailing the investigation would serve as evidence and I'm certain you're entitled to ask for this?
Would any employer really take it seriously?

I mean a football club as large as Wrexham go crying to whichever company / business about he's said / she's said.

Its just pathetic!
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So those fans who've said this has happened and mentioned it here are lying then?
Evidence is Crucial. Much that I have read on here has been hearsay and at times innuendo. As they say
Publish and be damned . You might then convince me .
Old 1st August 2020, 10.23:03   #17-0 (permalink)
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So those fans who've said this has happened and mentioned it here are lying then?
QR isnít saying that. Without actual proof it is hearsay.
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I, like many others on here, have become totally dismayed with how the club is run. We're seemingly lurching from one embarrassing episode to the next. The whole club from top to bottom, in both an administrative sense and a footballing sense, has become shambolic. I won't repeatedly mention the failures we've had to endure, we all know what they are.

The vast majority of us want to see complete change of ownership to arrest this drastic slide in our position - both in a footballing sense and the club as a whole. It's evident to me that those in charge have absolutely no intention of relinquishing their hold on proceedings any time soon - to me this will endanger the club's very existense.

There have been such disgraceful things that have happened, I apologise if I've missed any obvious ones, such as:

Treatment of the DSA
The shocking mis-treatment of the Youth Set-Up and those involved (as highlighted by Bagger Vance amongst others)
Targeting people ('dissenters' if you like) by intimidation, including contacting their employers and publishing private information about them.
The lies regarding Don Bircham and what he's subsequently had to endure.
Groves Training Ground proposals and its lack of substance.

I'm sure there are many others to add to this list, a list that just wouldn't be tolerated at any other proffesional club. So what I was wondering is should all of this, every last sordid detail, be put together into some kind of exposŤ that can be sent (and maybe published) in something like FourFourTwo Magazine or some other football publication, or maybe sent to Radio Wales/Cymru or 5Live etc. Every poster on here who has suffered at the hands of those running the club, every one who knows for a fact that these things have happened and would be willing to show proof and bring to light about the dreadful goings on.

We know local media wouldn't dare do it, it's all too cosy a relationship with the club.

I just feel the only way we may see change is to expose the truth, expose it fully on a national level. Surely this would then open the eyes of those fans that blindly follow the WST and believe all is well.

Stirring up some fervour around our predicament and exposing those behaviours from people who've acted so abhorrently at the helm of our club.

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Evidence is Crucial. Much that I have read on here has been hearsay and at times innuendo. As they say
Publish and be damned . You might then convince me .
What about the loans?
Old 1st August 2020, 10.42:53   #20-0 (permalink)
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I have to agree with the reply by Quay Red he is not saying it didn't happen but without actual proof nobody would touch it with a bargepole it could lead to prosecution.

If it had happened to me and I knew who it was I would make damn sure I have evidence and prosecute that person.

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