the vote - results out all resolutions PASSED

[NottsRed]

Originally Posted by Welsh Wizard

My own view is that it's about time these lads were given a break. Clearly they're not perfect but who is? The appointment of Yozzer was a huge mistake but at the time they would have genuinely believed it was the right option I'm sure. And we can call recount many other decisions which ( in hindsight ) could have been better.

I'm a member of WST but don't necessarily believe in fans ownership. Given what we went through with Hamilton et al, we've clearly been too cautious but I guess understandable based on the fact those in charge undoubtedly love the club and don't want us being in that position again.

9 vacancies on the board and only 7 applicants .... Is it any wonder given the abuse they get?

I'm one of those members who usually doesn't get the opportunity to go to meetings and vote so yesterday was a rare chance for me to get involved. Everyone who joined the meeting had the opportunity to speak against the resolutions yet nobody did ... If people are so worried, why was this?

The 5th resolution hopefully gives some hope that different ownership options may be explored always ensuring we have sufficient safety nets in place.

As for the training ground, the guys have seemingly secured a prime site for £1 a year over 99 years - why would anyone possibly think that is a bad deal? The land itself is likely to be worth 7 figures+. It was clear that a lot of effort has already gone into the project with a hell of a lot left to do and many bumps in the road ahead no doubt. I thought Spencer did very well in setting realistic expectations as regards what & when.

Yes we all want money investing in the team but the training ground project doesn't have to interfere with that. There will be grants / funding available for capital projects that would not be available for building a team / running the club.

There are many clubs that would love to be in our position - Coventry, Macclesfield, Bury, Wigan to name but a few.

One of these days I'll hopefully have the time to invest some of my time into this club that I have loved for over 40 years and by then I can only hope that by then there is a greater sense of positivity than we have now.

I Can't agree with your view that they need a break. Not they are not perfect as shown by the mismanagement, incompetence and the fact they have managed to blow 1.8 million on nothing.

What they need to accept is they have failed utterly and we only missed relegation due to the Covid outbreak. They need to start stepping down and allowing new blood onto the board who can bring fresh ideas and make some start in healing the fan base.

[Funny_Old_Game]

Originally Posted by Hometown Unicorn

Coventry just won league one, but yeah I'm sure they would trade all that away for near relegation from the national league.

Terrifying that these people exist isn’t it. Scary lack of knowledge and these are the sort of people running the club.

[John Neals Dynasty]

Originally Posted by Jaded

For me, sadly, I think it's already too late. I DON'T believe anymore. As one of the people pushing hardest on here for full fans' ownership all those years ago, I envisioned people I trusted in charge carrying out the wishes of the membership after democratic votes. The Birchamgate stuff was the final nail in the coffin when it came to trusting the club board; the second disabled platform and the shadowing votes not being properly acted on disabused me of the idea that they'd act on anything they didn't want to.

(I have no idea what the solution is, btw, which is one of the reasons I don't believe anymore.)

Excellent post Jaded and very honest, I think the majority of us even those with doubts about fan ownership at the beginning were thinking similar to you, but sadly its all gone tits up.

I think we are suffering from no direction from the top and their priorities are all wrong... Power in the wrong peoples hands is dangerous, all those deluded one's praising their board a lot have close ties if you don't agree with them it's put your name forward for the board childish silly comments by them, we have amateurish people running a football club now we don't want more.

I said on here a few years ago now it wouldn't last and was mocked by some who are probably those living on another planet, what I said at the time was the big test would be if we are in a relegation battle, I was mocked and told that would never happen in so many words, I said if we struggle gates will drop and where's the money going to come from then begging buckets? Over milking the same cow, not every fan can afford to go to all the games never mind throw money away at a football club.

It's only a matter of time I think before the axe falls. The deluded ones think fan ownership is safe from bankruptcy but this club is in as much danger now as when Hamilton and Moss owned it, but being killed by our so called fans, their is blame on both sides of the divide.

Unless that gap is closed somehow then the death of what was once a football club is inevitable.

Comments by the likes of Pete Jones shows the lack of intelligence at the heart of the WST divide the fanbase more by attacking those who don't agree with them in the media, with that attitude glad to see the back of him he was driving bigger wedges in.

What the answer to this dying club is I don't know it's probably to late, but we have to get through this virus intact first.
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[dagg]

Good post JND.

[Inside Left]

Originally Posted by mbarnes

I’m glad this is all over, none of the parties come out it well. Frankly neither does Red Passion. Ironic isn’t it that it’s strap line is ‘we still believe’ and ‘I’m Wrexham till I die’ Not much evidence of that from the majority of posts I have read recently. Instead of being part of the solution there’s a great danger RP will be viewed as part of the problem. We talk about inviting top drawer managers, and for that matter owners, to the club that’s not likely to happen if the supporters declare war on the club, or those who run it. Let’s draw a line under things before it’s too late.

I cannot see a supporters site such as RP bringing so much damage to a club. It is very much a minority view of odds and sods. Compared with the fan base RP contributes such as myself are very much the minority.

I didn't see the various Everton fan sites with much larger memberships influencing so many top rated managers and players that have arrived at Goodison. Why should RP be influential? No way is it.

One thing the club and fans can be pleased with is the role that some contributors here helped raise funds for the club. Not to be forgotten is the role played by some here who drove the fund raising for the bond - When others stood back !

[dixienormous]

Originally Posted by Welsh Wizard

My own view is that it's about time these lads were given a break. Clearly they're not perfect but who is? The appointment of Yozzer was a huge mistake but at the time they would have genuinely believed it was the right option I'm sure. And we can call recount many other decisions which ( in hindsight ) could have been better.

I'm a member of WST but don't necessarily believe in fans ownership. Given what we went through with Hamilton et al, we've clearly been too cautious but I guess understandable based on the fact those in charge undoubtedly love the club and don't want us being in that position again.

9 vacancies on the board and only 7 applicants .... Is it any wonder given the abuse they get?

I'm one of those members who usually doesn't get the opportunity to go to meetings and vote so yesterday was a rare chance for me to get involved. Everyone who joined the meeting had the opportunity to speak against the resolutions yet nobody did ... If people are so worried, why was this?

The 5th resolution hopefully gives some hope that different ownership options may be explored always ensuring we have sufficient safety nets in place.

As for the training ground, the guys have seemingly secured a prime site for £1 a year over 99 years - why would anyone possibly think that is a bad deal? The land itself is likely to be worth 7 figures+. It was clear that a lot of effort has already gone into the project with a hell of a lot left to do and many bumps in the road ahead no doubt. I thought Spencer did very well in setting realistic expectations as regards what & when.

Yes we all want money investing in the team but the training ground project doesn't have to interfere with that. There will be grants / funding available for capital projects that would not be available for building a team / running the club.

There are many clubs that would love to be in our position - Coventry, Macclesfield, Bury, Wigan to name but a few.

One of these days I'll hopefully have the time to invest some of my time into this club that I have loved for over 40 years and by then I can only hope that by then there is a greater sense of positivity than we have now.

Nobody apart from maybe, Mold Alex, Brickfield and the dog and duck would love to be in our position.

[Iesty]

Originally Posted by NottsRed

I Can't agree with your view that they need a break. Not they are not perfect as shown by the mismanagement, incompetence and the fact they have managed to blow 1.8 million on nothing.

What they need to accept is they have failed utterly and we only missed relegation due to the Covid outbreak. They need to start stepping down and allowing new blood onto the board who can bring fresh ideas and make some start in healing the fan base.

I agree with this, but surely partly by all of the resolutions being passed, this is what the WST are setting out to do?

A – The proposal of a 99-year lease on the Groves site with Wrexham County Borough Council at the rate of one peppercorn per annum. - as much as it annoys people that the club want to invest in the Groves, we arent going to be paying anything but upfront development costs on this, which WST are doing their upmost to attract contractors cap in hand.

B – To continue the work of the reform group in revising the WST constitution. - they obviously realise that the consitution is failing and want to sort it

C – To appoint external consultants to study the structures of the WST and Wrexham AFC and the relationship between the two. - this will feed in to B and again makes sense to me?

D – To approve a new disciplinary policy for the WST which will replace the existing policy. - obviously in light of recent leaks and issues

E – To adopt an addition to the Gateway process.- in light of the last WST survey, so reading into this its potentially in light of selling majority stake in the near future?

Apologies if the above views appear naive, but to me they all appear to be beneficial to the future of the club?

Anyway, next vote prior to the AGM is to decide whether you want the candidates to automatically renew or not, so check your emails and act now. Whilst people have honorably walked away from the Trust this appears to be the only way to get others that people don't want out.

[Ooh aah Paskin]

Originally Posted by mbarnes

I’m glad this is all over, none of the parties come out it well. Frankly neither does Red Passion. Ironic isn’t it that it’s strap line is ‘we still believe’ and ‘I’m Wrexham till I die’ Not much evidence of that from the majority of posts I have read recently. Instead of being part of the solution there’s a great danger RP will be viewed as part of the problem. We talk about inviting top drawer managers, and for that matter owners, to the club that’s not likely to happen if the supporters declare war on the club, or those who run it. Let’s draw a line under things before it’s too late.

Or you could take the view that the fact there are many posts on here questioning the actions of the board shows that actually RP is full of passionate supporters that have the interests of the club at heart, and are looking to bring about improvement and change in the best way they know or even physically can, by putting the information and debate out there.

But hey, there are always going to be a bunch of posters who think that RP is the pit of all evil (not including you in this by the way....) Yet those same posters likely frequent a Facebook group that is rapidly becoming cult like in its fervent stamping down of heretical thoughts!

It's up to individuals to decide which approach is better.

[TomWFC]

Originally Posted by Iesty

I agree with this, but surely partly by all of the resolutions being passed, this is what the WST are setting out to do?

A – The proposal of a 99-year lease on the Groves site with Wrexham County Borough Council at the rate of one peppercorn per annum. - as much as it annoys people that the club want to invest in the Groves, we arent going to be paying anything but upfront development costs on this, which WST are doing their upmost to attract contractors cap in hand.

B – To continue the work of the reform group in revising the WST constitution. - they obviously realise that the consitution is failing and want to sort it

C – To appoint external consultants to study the structures of the WST and Wrexham AFC and the relationship between the two. - this will feed in to B and again makes sense to me?

D – To approve a new disciplinary policy for the WST which will replace the existing policy. - obviously in light of recent leaks and issues

E – To adopt an addition to the Gateway process.- in light of the last WST survey, so reading into this its potentially in light of selling majority stake in the near future?

Apologies if the above views appear naive, but to me they all appear to be beneficial to the future of the club?

Anyway, next vote prior to the AGM is to decide whether you want the candidates to automatically renew or not, so check your emails and act now. Whilst people have honorably walked away from the Trust this appears to be the only way to get others that people don't want out.

But resolutions have been passed previously and not been acted upon.