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Old 15th October 2020, 11.45:00   #21-0 (permalink)
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Giggs is clearly the master of this new tactic as it worked 100% last night in Bulgaria. Dean hasn't quite got it yet but is on the way.

And this new master plan? - bore the opposition with numerous back passes, don't play any real forwards, put no pressure whatsoever on the opposition goalie and ensure any free kicks present no problems to defenders.....

So what is the purpose of all this? - hope that the opposition, along with the vast majority of supporters, fall asleep. You know it makes sense.
Bugger me, you were desperate for a thread-starter.
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Perhaps deserves a little leeway but come on did you not see the Ireland game?
It was awful, but even the best managers get it wrong at times and on paper there wasn't a lot between the teams. He made up for it last night in my view, by changing the set up and we got a well deserved win out of it despite us only fielding 3 players who had scored for us in the past (Neco, Wilson and James with 6 goals between them).
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They won 1 game of their last 20 have Bulgaria.

Iím happy with points haul and the results. But performances have been dire. Down to personnel or game plan?
How old are you , 7 or 8 maybe ?

You must be or you would be like most of us as Welsh football fans, scarred by Anfield 1977, Ninian Park 1985, Cardiff Arrms Park 1993 and the Millienium Stadium 2003.

All heartbreaking occasions where we entertained for sure but just didn't have that killer instinct and sheer grit to get over the line. Give me a dour 1-0 win any day over a heroic, attacking defeat.

We are a tiny nation punching way above its weight with a plethora of youngsters who are coming through who look so comfortable in the environment.

I think Giggs has done an incredible job results wise when you consider the absentees and has qualified for a major tournament at his first attempt and currently sits top of the Nations League group. "Lucky late goals" (What exactly was lucky about them ?) ha, What I would have done for a late "Lucky" Welsh goal in any of the above games.

Cheer up, it's good being a Welsh football fan whether you like the manager or not
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To be fair Wales are currently missing their four best players for getting us playing and attacking - Bale, Allen, Brooks and Ramsey. The replacemts are championship level quality. I don’t mind playing it tighter in those circumstances and grinding out results whilst we wait for them to come back. We played better attacking football under Giggs when we had them all fit and playing.

And Wales still played possession football. Unlike Keates’ hoof it to isolated strikers approach. Aimlessly keeping the ball for a bit would be a step up right now!
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To be fair Wales are currently missing their four best players for getting us playing and attacking - Bale, Allen, Brooks and Ramsey. The replacemts are championship level quality. I don’t mind playing it tighter in those circumstances and grinding out results whilst we wait for them to come back. We played better attacking football under Giggs when we had them all fit and playing.
Not to mention Moore who was pivotal in qualifying for the Euros. Dan James looks a shadow of his previous self at the moment too.
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And how many of those playing are actually starting for their club team? Probably a fair few are not getting first team football (l haven't checked).

To be up there challenging is a nice change.
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Never really liked Giggs as he always put club before country..
As he should....
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They looked well organised and all seemed to know their roles. Keates' rabble look far from that and he has them all week every week.
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How old are you , 7 or 8 maybe ?

You must be or you would be like most of us as Welsh football fans, scarred by Anfield 1977, Ninian Park 1985, Cardiff Arrms Park 1993 and the Millienium Stadium 2003.

All heartbreaking occasions where we entertained for sure but just didn't have that killer instinct and sheer grit to get over the line. Give me a dour 1-0 win any day over a heroic, attacking defeat.

We are a tiny nation punching way above its weight with a plethora of youngsters who are coming through who look so comfortable in the environment.

I think Giggs has done an incredible job results wise when you consider the absentees and has qualified for a major tournament at his first attempt and currently sits top of the Nations League group. "Lucky late goals" (What exactly was lucky about them ?) ha, What I would have done for a late "Lucky" Welsh goal in any of the above games.

Cheer up, it's good being a Welsh football fan whether you like the manager or not
I donít mind Giggs tbh, wasnít my first or second choice But Iíve said fair dos to him on getting us to only our 3rd finals ever.

I am old enough to remember some of the bad times. I get frustrated that as you say we have a good group of young players coming through but at times we struggle to string a few passes together or even look comfortable on the ball and we know they are capable of doing it.
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How old are you , 7 or 8 maybe ?

You must be or you would be like most of us as Welsh football fans, scarred by Anfield 1977, Ninian Park 1985, Cardiff Arrms Park 1993 and the Millienium Stadium 2003.

All heartbreaking occasions where we entertained for sure but just didn't have that killer instinct and sheer grit to get over the line. Give me a dour 1-0 win any day over a heroic, attacking defeat.

We are a tiny nation punching way above its weight with a plethora of youngsters who are coming through who look so comfortable in the environment.

I think Giggs has done an incredible job results wise when you consider the absentees and has qualified for a major tournament at his first attempt and currently sits top of the Nations League group. "Lucky late goals" (What exactly was lucky about them ?) ha, What I would have done for a late "Lucky" Welsh goal in any of the above games.

Cheer up, it's good being a Welsh football fan whether you like the manager or not
Amen to that great post. I well remember the games you mention and was at Anfield for the infamous penalty. Last night the passing was good the tempo was excellent. The lads worked incredibly hard pressing bulgaria when they had possession. Lastly we won. Well done Giggs.
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