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John Neals Dynasty 18th October 2020 13.46:14

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I've not voted and won't vote as a poll on here means zilch.

I was one of the main posters on here going ape at them re-appointing him and his pal Davies....

But until the future of the club is sorted out we have no choice...

He's talks about players mentality! The tosser signed them he has no excuses he is out of his depth also so is his mates Darlington and Davies.

Fan's on here saying they are good players, they are non league journeymen for a reason, they lack ability.

This is the worst defence since being down here, OK We are missing Pearson, but Vassel up to now is very poor, kelleher started his first couple of games well but our coaches must of knocked it out of him, same with the rb hall Johnson he cannot defend, the left back is pretty steady.

Then we have a midfield who cannot keep possession, Harris is not the player he was Durrell puts in the effort but so does Rutherford, but both are not good enough, Thomas isn't upfront.

Soon as this takeover happens the better, if they are making a documentary they best put the present side on after the watershed at 9pm it's horrific to watch.
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Jaded 18th October 2020 13.54:33

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[QUOTE=andy buckley;2397620]A week ago there was a thread about being top of the league on monday night skip forward a week and if we lose to Solihull the season is already over 😂😂😂😂😂😂[/QUOTE]

Tbf it was pretty much only the WUM who started that thread who said anything about us being top of the league.

Funny_Old_Game 18th October 2020 15.53:22

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[QUOTE=OneLoveWrexham;2397368]He’s finished, just look at his interview[/QUOTE]

He can barely string a sentence together, at least Hughes could speak English to a decent standard.

ABd 18th October 2020 17.02:44

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It's not worth sacking him now, adds an unnecessary complication to the takeover talks.

Focus should be on getting the deal done as soon as possible.

Then a new era can begin.

redinsaudi 18th October 2020 17.36:25

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[QUOTE=ABd;2397692]It's not worth sacking him now, adds an unnecessary complication to the takeover talks.

Focus should be on getting the deal done as soon as possible.

Then a new era can begin.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely incorrect. Get rid of the fools that are killing our club. Why keep on a buffoon and his two mates when a cardboard cut out can do better for free????

COME ON WREXHAM 19th October 2020 09.44:18

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Could always go down the caretaker manager route, can't do any worse than the arse we have in charge at present.

Rob Edwards 19th October 2020 10.44:00

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At one point stated or alleged that there was a minimum performance attainment clause in the contract.Surely given Keates record over 26/27 games is identical or worse to Bryan Hughes he does not meet minimum performance standards.

t1954 19th October 2020 10.46:20

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[QUOTE=John Neals Dynasty;2397630]I've not voted and won't vote as a poll on here means zilch.

I was one of the main posters on here going ape at them re-appointing him and his pal Davies....

But until the future of the club is sorted out we have no choice...

He's talks about players mentality! The tosser signed them he has no excuses he is out of his depth also so is his mates Darlington and Davies.

Fan's on here saying they are good players, they are non league journeymen for a reason, they lack ability.

This is the worst defence since being down here, OK We are missing Pearson, but Vassel up to now is very poor, kelleher started his first couple of games well but our coaches must of knocked it out of him, same with the rb hall Johnson he cannot defend, the left back is pretty steady.

Then we have a midfield who cannot keep possession, Harris is not the player he was Durrell puts in the effort but so does Rutherford, but both are not good enough, Thomas isn't upfront.

Soon as this takeover happens the better, if they are making a documentary they best put the present side on after the watershed at 9pm it's horrific to watch.
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I totally agree, I will also not vote in a meaningless poll. Keates good club captain, no doubt a good pro, is not a manager. He should never have been brought in. Just get this takeover sorted so we can have a meaningful vote and move this club on.

One last thing, who are the 19 people currently saying give him more time. We have been in this dump for 12 years, have they no ambition or are the Chester fans having a joke.

Iesty 19th October 2020 12.18:42

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Sure its already been mentioned, get Pearson and Carrington to caretaker manager it through to the takeover being complete, then bring in the Cowleys or Alexander

Rob Edwards 19th October 2020 12.34:50

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[QUOTE=Iesty;2397898]Sure its already been mentioned, get Pearson and Carrington to caretaker manager it through to the takeover being complete, then bring in the Cowleys or Alexander[/QUOTE]

I mentioned the idea- gardening leave delays any redundancy or pay-offs costs.
A no-brainer surely.Urgency exacerbated with the FA Cup this weekend.

Outertowner 19th October 2020 13.38:12

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[QUOTE=redinsaudi;2397699]Absolutely incorrect. Get rid of the fools that are killing our club. Why keep on a buffoon and his two mates when a cardboard cut out can do better for free????[/QUOTE]

I want Keates and Co gone as do most but if the investment goes through there is bound to be a change in management that will come with it. Changing manager now will just be further money down the drain. We’re not at the stage that we need to panic and put a caretaker boss in charge either, with only 5 games played. I think we just have to be patient and put up with dross that’s served up for the next month or two and change will come.

Red Light 19th October 2020 13.58:20

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[QUOTE=Outertowner;2397918]I want Keates and Co gone as do most but if the investment goes through there is bound to be a change in management that will come with it. Changing manager now will just be further money down the drain. We’re not at the stage that we need to panic and put a caretaker boss in charge either, with only 5 games played. I think we just have to be patient and put up with dross that’s served up for the next month or two and change will come.[/QUOTE]

There's that big word 'IF' again - at what point should things change ?
What if the Yanks don't turn up and pull out all together ?
How long should we suffer ?
It could be too late if we just keep hoping they will suddenly appear this week, next week the week after with wheelbarrows full of dollars.
Unfortunately it's not just Keates that need to go - we need a xxxxxxxx big broom to clear out the deadwood and there's lots of it - but unless we get a takeover I can't see anything concrete happening.
Can't see Spencer and co parting with Keates and his team at this current time.

NottsRed 19th October 2020 14.39:05

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[QUOTE=Red Light;2397925]There's that big word 'IF' again - at what point should things change ?
What if the Yanks don't turn up and pull out all together ?
How long should we suffer ?
It could be too late if we just keep hoping they will suddenly appear this week, next week the week after with wheelbarrows full of dollars.
Unfortunately it's not just Keates that need to go - we need a xxxxxxxx big broom to clear out the deadwood and there's lots of it - but unless we get a takeover I can't see anything concrete happening.
Can't see Spencer and co parting with Keates and his team at this current time.[/QUOTE]

Any change now would make things incredibly complicated and it would be another admission of failure and incompetence by the board (yet again) which IMHO they will not do.

If Keates did go the best we could hope for would be what Pearson/ Carrington with Davies and Darlington. Can't remember what contract Darlington is on now but anyone coming in to the current set up has to work with him so that will massively narrow any candidates wanting to come here.

The longer any deal takes to get sorted then the more damage is done by Keates. I wouldn't like this current mess to be rumbling on after the Xmas period as the consequences don't bare thinking about especially the prospect of Keates wasting more money on turd players.

However if we get to 10 games in and theres no improvement I wouldn't like to be on the board.

Ideal scenario is the deal goes through, film crews arrive and the first scene filmed is Keates, Darlington & Davies being escorted from the ground by security after being sacked.

Quay Red 19th October 2020 15.01:11

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[QUOTE=NottsRed;2397935]Any change now would make things incredibly complicated and it would be another admission of failure and incompetence by the board (yet again) which IMHO they will not do.

If Keates did go the best we could hope for would be what Pearson/ Carrington with Davies and Darlington. Can't remember what contract Darlington is on now but anyone coming in to the current set up has to work with him so that will massively narrow any candidates wanting to come here.

The longer any deal takes to get sorted then the more damage is done by Keates. I wouldn't like this current mess to be rumbling on after the Xmas period as the consequences don't bare thinking about especially the prospect of Keates wasting more money on turd players.

However if we get to 10 games in and theres no improvement I wouldn't like to be on the board.

[COLOR="Red"]Ideal scenario is the deal goes through, film crews arrive and the first scene filmed is Keates, Darlington & Davies being escorted from the ground by security after being sacked.[/QUOTE]
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Best scenario for me is Keates being dismissed by the current board at the request of the new owners who take over and appoint there own man.
If the new owners were to sack the manager then they would be on a hiding to nothing if their new appointee also failed to deliver.

Prodigal Dragon 19th October 2020 15.18:06

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Best scenario for me is Keates being dismissed by the current board at the request of the new owners who take over and appoint there own man.
If the new owners were to sack the manager then they would be on a hiding to nothing if their new appointee also failed to deliver.[/QUOTE]

Agree. Keates et al are the current Board’s problem. Their sacking should be their responsibility.

wrexhamforever16 19th October 2020 21.00:21

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This poll says it all. Keates has lost the fans, probably before the season even started in fairness.

NottsRed 19th October 2020 21.54:25

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[QUOTE=wrexhamforever16;2398025]This poll says it all. Keates has lost the fans, probably before the season even started in fairness.[/QUOTE]

If we are honest he didn’t really have them when he came back.

Colonel D 20th October 2020 07.08:58

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The new board will make the decision regarding the team managers they want , if indeed the deal goes through.
They will already have somebody advising them here and will be aware of the current issues.
I cannot see any action being taken before the takeover.

sparky 20th October 2020 09.16:31

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[QUOTE=NottsRed;2398032]If we are honest he didn’t really have them when he came back.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely. This was never going to be a rekindling love. As soon as points were dropped the knives would be out. Only folk wrapped up in their own bubble would think otherwise. A very naive decision from all involved, although we should be thankful, it's played a massive part in getting our club back.

KingBuxton_Forever red 20th October 2020 09.38:54

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I was one of the few willing to give Keates the benefit of the doubt.

I understood why he left, I was willing to tolerate turgid football, providing we were hard to beat and the results come. Last season neither of these things happened but he needed to bring his own players in.....which he has done and we are awful.

krux 20th October 2020 09.58:22

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[QUOTE=sparky;2398076]Absolutely. This was never going to be a rekindling love. As soon as points were dropped the knives would be out. Only folk wrapped up in their own bubble would think otherwise. A very naive decision from all involved, although we should be thankful, it's played a massive part in getting our club back.[/QUOTE]

yes, I suspect a majority of fans wanted him gone before the season started, his only hope was to rip the league apart from the off. Now its clear its the same old rubbish, there is no hesitation.

markh 20th October 2020 10.02:26

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Really shouldn't have been brought back in with his mate. A sham the way the interviews was done if any. And the rumour he was hanging around the club when Hughes was in charge really does make you wonder.

Wrexham's Patrick Bateman 20th October 2020 10.04:01

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The six points we've got so far, was a tight, and somewhat fortunate win against B Wood. And that first half win at Yeovil, in w
which Yeovil were dire. Then clinging on for dear life second half.
We could quite easy be on just a pont or two out of a possible fifteen.
Take into account last seasons narrow escape from relegation, and the evidence so far this season he would hardly be surprised if he got the sack at any other Football Club

But this is Wrexham FC.. Where things are very different.

redinsaudi 20th October 2020 10.13:19

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The club got a couple of senior players (Pearson and Carra I think). To do interviews with the local comic, The Leader, to try and instigate a smoother path for DKs reemployment. Spencer knew this would not go down well but gave the job to his pal nonetheless.

FieldtownRed 20th October 2020 11.37:23

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[QUOTE=redinsaudi;2398093]The club got a couple of senior players (Pearson and Carra I think). To do interviews with the local comic, The Leader, to try and instigate a smoother path for DKs reemployment. Spencer knew this would not go down well but gave the job to his pal nonetheless.[/QUOTE]

Yep there was definitely a concerted effort from within the club to attempt to soften the blow.

LlayDragon 20th October 2020 13.31:15

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[QUOTE=redinsaudi;2398093]The club got a couple of senior players (Pearson and Carra I think). To do interviews with the local comic, The Leader, to try and instigate a smoother path for DKs reemployment. Spencer knew this would not go down well but gave the job to his pal nonetheless.[/QUOTE]

Indeed they did, wheeled out the captain and vice-captain to sell it us, the great unwashed.

dragonspark 20th October 2020 15.45:50

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it is a disgrace what Wrexham fc has become

standman 20th October 2020 18.54:13

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[QUOTE=redinsaudi;2398093]The club got a couple of senior players (Pearson and Carra I think). To do interviews with the local comic, The Leader, to try and instigate a smoother path for DKs reemployment. Spencer knew this would not go down well but gave the job to his pal nonetheless.[/QUOTE]

This was makes me laugh about this unprofessional bunch of amateurs, they try this sort of softness and think the fan base can’t see through it. They treat the fan base with contempt, they think the fan base is beneath them when in fact they show themselves as being pretty thick.

WxmWynno 20th October 2020 20.49:42

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I’m waiting for the “Give Them Time” option to reach the infamous 31...
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Colonel D 22nd October 2020 16.10:41

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[quote=wxmwynno;2398209]i’m waiting for the “give them time” option to reach the infamous 31...
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31 ?

Vorporix 22nd October 2020 17.32:50

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[QUOTE=redinsaudi;2398093]The club got a couple of senior players (Pearson and Carra I think). To do interviews with the local comic, The Leader, to try and instigate a smoother path for DKs reemployment. Spencer knew this would not go down well but gave the job to his pal nonetheless.[/QUOTE]

This is so true but don't just pin it on Spencer.

The board(s) knew this would piss off a significant percentage of the fan base but went ahead anyway.

WxmWynno 22nd October 2020 18.51:17

[QUOTE=Colonel D;2398639]31 ?[/QUOTE]

The number who voted against knowing who the potential investors were
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redinsaudi 22nd October 2020 18.53:00

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[QUOTE=Vorporix;2398640]This is so true but don't just pin it on Spencer.

The board(s) knew this would piss off a significant percentage of the fan base but went ahead anyway.[/QUOTE]

Errr yes he did. He employed his mate again and asked Dixie to ratify it to further pull wool over fans eyes. It’s beyond ludicrous and I even think you know that pal.

Jaded 22nd October 2020 19.02:49

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[QUOTE=redinsaudi;2398656]Errr yes he did. He employed his mate again and asked Dixie to ratify it to further pull wool over fans eyes. It’s beyond ludicrous and I even think you know that pal.[/QUOTE]

It is beyond ludicrous, but as V said, I don't see how it's solely Spencer's fault. Surely EVERYONE on the two boards should have realised how ridiculous it was?

Vorporix 22nd October 2020 19.05:14

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[QUOTE=Jaded;2398660]It is beyond ludicrous, but as V said, I don't see how it's solely Spencer's fault. Surely EVERYONE on the two boards should have realised how ridiculous it was?[/QUOTE]

Thanks J - my point exactly - surely Spencer is not the only one with a vote!

eosceiriog 23rd October 2020 10.29:40

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[QUOTE=Vorporix;2398662]Thanks J - my point exactly - surely Spencer is not the only one with a vote![/QUOTE]

I agree entirely but I still would not want him involved in running our club under any new ownership.

moynkeepthefaith 24th October 2020 06.11:06

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[QUOTE=eosceiriog;2398744]I agree entirely but I still would not want him involved in running our club under any new ownership.[/QUOTE]

I think we can safely say that any well advised investors would look to make changes.

redinsaudi 24th October 2020 08.59:33

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[QUOTE=Vorporix;2398662]Thanks J - my point exactly - surely Spencer is not the only one with a vote![/QUOTE]

My point is that he is the self proclaimed ‘face’ and spokesman of the board demonstrated dozens of times. Clambering over his peers at every positive media opportunity he is to the fore. He loves the limelight so must also accept the accountability for the negative too, surely??

FieldtownRed 24th October 2020 10.44:28

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[QUOTE=redinsaudi;2398954]My point is that he is the self proclaimed ‘face’ and spokesman of the board demonstrated dozens of times. Clambering over his peers at every positive media opportunity he is to the fore. He loves the limelight so must also accept the accountability for the negative too, surely??[/QUOTE]

I’d agree to this extent but on the flip side he appears to be the only one who sticks his head above the parapet. The only time you’d hear Pete Jones speaking would be from behind his pint glass at WST meeting. I’d struggle to recognise any of either of the current boards aside from Spencer due to their reluctance to speak out publicly.


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