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Old 19th November 2020, 15.04:36   #11-0 (permalink)
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This would fit in with R&R's ethos of benefiting and including the community, as would the DSA usage
They can't fund everything. Honestly, a few of you need to get realistic, you're running away with the fairies.
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Old 19th November 2020, 16.49:05   #12-0 (permalink)
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They can't fund everything. Honestly, a few of you need to get realistic, you're running away with the fairies.
This "community club" thing has always worried me and maybe thats one of the reasons we always appear to be side tracked to other issues than the club and team. We all need to remember WAFC is 1st , 2nd and 3rd a football club all other issues are fine but must not deviate us away from why we exist .
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This "community club" thing has always worried me and maybe thats one of the reasons we always appear to be side tracked to other issues than the club and team. We all need to remember WAFC is 1st , 2nd and 3rd a football club all other issues are fine but must not deviate us away from why we exist .
Raises an interesting question, what exactly is 'we'. Football clubs were originally people banding together to play and watch football and they were all members clubs. At the higher levels many became Limited Companies and moved away from the original ethos and purpose. Community and place originally mattered but got lost as more money came into the game.

So are we now just customers of a business ? Bit like going to a theatre or a pub ?

Why form the strong emotional attachment supporters have to a Limited Company or LLP ?

Club is now surely a misnomer for most modern day football clubs ?
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Old 19th November 2020, 18.45:43   #14-0 (permalink)
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Raises an interesting question, what exactly is 'we'. Football clubs were originally people banding together to play and watch football and they were all members clubs. At the higher levels many became Limited Companies and moved away from the original ethos and purpose. Community and place originally mattered but got lost as more money came into the game.

So are we now just customers of a business ? Bit like going to a theatre or a pub ?

Why form the strong emotional attachment supporters have to a Limited Company or LLP ?

Club is now surely a misnomer for most modern day football clubs ?
Yes we are just customers... Get over it.

I can't wait. Sick of all the politics and infighting.
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Old 19th November 2020, 18.53:22   #15-0 (permalink)
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Will the profits be going to the club or WST?
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Old 19th November 2020, 19.06:00   #16-0 (permalink)
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Slightly going off tangent here...... I pay my WST membership by direct debit. When do you stop your membership?
Going by some on here who have had issues with payments, membership, e-mails etc is it prudent to wait until the takeover is signed and sealed?
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Raises an interesting question, what exactly is 'we'. Football clubs were originally people banding together to play and watch football and they were all members clubs. At the higher levels many became Limited Companies and moved away from the original ethos and purpose. Community and place originally mattered but got lost as more money came into the game.

So are we now just customers of a business ? Bit like going to a theatre or a pub ?

Why form the strong emotional attachment supporters have to a Limited Company or LLP ?

Club is now surely a misnomer for most modern day football clubs ?
Thankfully, looking at things like the £6000 donation Rob made to a Wrexham fan in need, it looks like we’re getting back towards thinking community matters.
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Slightly going off tangent here...... I pay my WST membership by direct debit. When do you stop your membership?
Going by some on here who have had issues with payments, membership, e-mails etc is it prudent to wait until the takeover is signed and sealed?
I've dropped my standing order down to a minimum now. I want to remain a member for time being just so I don't miss any updates etc. Going forward when the WST produces a set of revised objectives or purpose I will then decide if I am behind them or not.

Suspect that membership could fall to 500 or so if it continues unless there are major changes.

My suggestion is to remain a member for now just so you retain access to information and a voting option just in case of some kind of collosal f up in the FA ratification process
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Raises an interesting question, what exactly is 'we'. Football clubs were originally people banding together to play and watch football and they were all members clubs. At the higher levels many became Limited Companies and moved away from the original ethos and purpose. Community and place originally mattered but got lost as more money came into the game.

So are we now just customers of a business ? Bit like going to a theatre or a pub ?

Why form the strong emotional attachment supporters have to a Limited Company or LLP ?

Club is now surely a misnomer for most modern day football clubs ?
Get a new hobby for gods sake mate. Most people have never felt more detached from this club than they have in thenlast few years. Bring on never having to vote on amy bollocks ever again and enjoying my football team
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Will the profits be going to the club or WST?
This is a somewhat alarming question which demonstrates a real lack of understanding amongst fans of how the club has been structured and what the transfer of ownership means... Its not a dig at you even though I'm aware that's how my opening sentence sounds.

The obvious answer is that money goes into the club. People understand that once transfer of ownership fully completes, the WST will have no input other than potentially a seat on the board to represent the Memberships views? No power or influence as such.

Any money the WST wishes to accumulate going forward will be done off their own back, and how they allocate that money will be up to them.

I think this is interesting in terms of WST assets retaining the lease. So if you think about it, the WST does not represent the voice of all fans. It represents about an 8th of the usual 4000 attending supporters. That's based on a guess that close to 500 wst members generally supported its goals... About 400 members were willing to oppose and the rest of the membership joined for cheap season tickets rather than to vote or influence the direction of the club. If the WST decides they are unhappy with what RR are doing at any point, while I'm sure there would be legal costs to absorb could essentially terminate the WAFC lease I think. Meaning no access to the ground essentially cutting them off at the knees because they have agreed as part of the sale to play within a fixed difference of the racecourse/wrexham. That power could be a good thing in case of misadventure, leaving them with a worthless asset or could be bad depending on who takes over the running of the day to day leadership of the WST.

I'm sure someone could tell me legally why all I just said is bullshit and wouldn't hold up legally. But a WST potentially run by some it's former extremely pro trust antagonist worries me if totally honest. Out of all of them, Spencer has really shown his willingness to best represent all of the fanbase. This sale might not have gone through with different members and agendas at the top table.

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Money goes to club
WST powerless post transfer of ownership... Or are they?
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