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Old 10th January 2021, 16.04:51   #31-0 (permalink)
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That’s the thing though, throwing these lads in trying to get a playoff place/title wouldn’t work for them. They need time in games with less pressure. If we were mid table in Lg2 id happily want to see them play. Pretty much every game we play down here is must win and the crowd soon turns if we’re on a bad run.
I agree they do need the time. The only player to have come straight from our youth team who has got what you could argue is decent game time in the past 5 years is Bickerstaff this season through necessity.

I don't even think they need to start. Let them come on as a sub and give them 20-30 minutes a week to develop and get some game-time consistency.
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Given how much has been wasted on Johnny Journeyman and co under WST ownership, I'm not buying that argument.

The youth debate has been done to death. I agree with a previous poster, it is the WST defining failure that can't be blamed on anyone else but themselves.

I'm sure the new guys have done their research and are reminded of just how important a part a decent youth system has had in our successful periods in the past, and how important it will be going forward.
Both spoke about how the club needs to be sustainable, having a successful CoE forms part of that.

It'll be nice to see some players having a bit of pride in putting the shirt on for a change.

So much money wasted through fees generated because of the CoE and now the taps run dry, that and a training ground were more important than a gung-ho promotion challenge.

Thankfully Peter Moore is on board and will know the importance of building towards something.
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I dont blame the WST for the lack of a youth programme - we cant afford it.

Though its another example of why that ownership model does not work
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I think you make a very point there krux I think the situation is that clubs in the league are given funding for a youth program and we dont .
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We paid approx 25k for Jason Oswell which was a disaster-
Not fully fit when signed
Never managed to even be a regular starter
Why pay fee when only 18 month deal- definitely does not happen in L1 & L2.

This combined with the Bobby Grant fee,salary and renew yourself for 2 years deal were just off the richter scale of wasting money.
Oswell, the same one the likes of Spencer Harris were briefing the rottweilers 'didn't want to go pro', then a week after went to Morecombe. Despite him saying he'd like to give it another go, finally we get our man and then use him in such a way he was useless. Effectively ruined his pro career, now playing much better at Telford.

It's a familiar theme for many players. We've missed out on so many WPL players it's ridiculous, but apparently scout it, must have been Stevie Wonder. When we finally sign them we do everything possible to ruin their careers.

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Old 10th January 2021, 19.51:20   #35-0 (permalink)
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This CEO has got his hands full when he takes up his post. New management on the playing side, players, set up an Acadamy, a reserve team in a decent league so that the young lads can play men's football before the first team. All this has been like sand going through your fingers this last decade.
Old 10th January 2021, 20.02:13   #36-0 (permalink)
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On the flip side, would any manager aiming for promotion start playing a load of first year youth lads and expect results? We can be honest with ourselves and say the absolute cream of the crop would get pinched much lower leaving us with the likes of Rob Evans, Leo Smith, Reynolds etc. I don’t think any manager would have put faith in them to win promotion. And you’re right, dumping the reserve team was a mistake but we’ve been geared towards promotion at any cost.

I’m not defending the youth policy under the Trust but let’s not pretend we’re in the position to start filling the team with 17 years olds. If a championship team comes in for a 12 year old, what can a conference team do? Hold them off for a couple of years? Maybe now we have the cash to keep them.
Im not saying play "Loads " as you put it , blooding one or two in when appropriate , bringing them off the bench when in a good position , Leo was used like that at times, and looked good , And lets face it we put all our resources into the first team to get promoted , And where are we ?
Old 10th January 2021, 20.44:46   #37-0 (permalink)
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True, I was perhaps exaggerating, but the jury really was out on Leo Smith.

I think the pressure the club is under to get promoted and the short termism means we’re not in a good position to blood our leftover youths.

Maybe if when the trust took over they said - we will be focusing on the youth but this will take a few years to bare fruit we’d eventually have got there. But the fans want big signings and to get out of this league ASAP. They made bad decisions with regards to the set up, but fans never wanted to spend a few years building a squad peppered with homegrown players.
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True, I was perhaps exaggerating, but the jury really was out on Leo Smith.

I think the pressure the club is under to get promoted and the short termism means we’re not in a good position to blood our leftover youths.

Maybe if when the trust took over they said - we will be focusing on the youth but this will take a few years to bare fruit we’d eventually have got there. But the fans want big signings and to get out of this league ASAP. They made bad decisions with regards to the set up, but fans never wanted to spend a few years building a squad peppered with homegrown players.
Yeah thats true , I suppose some of us want our cake and eat it , Perhaps now our new owners will allow that .
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I dont blame the WST for the lack of a youth programme - we cant afford it.

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Not true. You need to read Bagger Vance's posts on the subject.
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Old 11th January 2021, 10.00:35   #40-0 (permalink)
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Even if Johnny journeymen were good enough and got us competing we still would not have enough cash for a youth set-up.
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You've definitely been listening to the wrong people on this.
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