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Old 2nd April 2021, 13.37:45   #21-0 (permalink)
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I think regardless of the shambles that is and was the trust, we need to accept they're going to be around in some form or other for the foreseeable future. Seriously considering applying myself just to save any further embarrassment being placed on the club by their continual failure to abide by their own constitution
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Old 2nd April 2021, 20.59:26   #22-0 (permalink)
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Aren't they still technically in control of the ground?
Technically no. They haven't got quorum to be in control.

In practice, illegally, yes..
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Technically no. They haven't got quorum to be in control.

In practice, illegally, yes..
Does the constitution still stand without being owners?
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Old 3rd April 2021, 09.44:30   #24-0 (permalink)
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Does the constitution still stand without being owners?
The trust are owners of the company that own the ground.

Yes the rules/constitution still stand.
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The trust are owners of the company that own the ground.

Yes the rules/constitution still stand.
The wst should do a count on how many members it has left before any restructuring, if there’s a major reduction the trust itself should adjust.

There’s no point having the same amount of board members when there’s nothing for those people to manage.

The trust are the lease holder, the club pay the rent to the trust who couldn’t uphold their end of the lease without the club paying the rent. They actually own nothing and are literally paying glyndwr what the club pays them.

It doesn’t need a huge board to just do that, I think when details of club membership are published especially any ticket discount the numbers will be around the 400 mark for remaining trust members.

What exactly are any future votes or AGM’s going to cover, what is there really to speak about other than they pay the rent money on the 1st or 31st of the month?
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The wst should do a count on how many members it has left before any restructuring, if there’s a major reduction the trust itself should adjust.

There’s no point having the same amount of board members when there’s nothing for those people to manage.

The trust are the lease holder, the club pay the rent to the trust who couldn’t uphold their end of the lease without the club paying the rent. They actually own nothing and are literally paying glyndwr what the club pays them.

It doesn’t need a huge board to just do that, I think when details of club membership are published especially any ticket discount the numbers will be around the 400 mark for remaining trust members.

What exactly are any future votes or AGM’s going to cover, what is there really to speak about other than they pay the rent money on the 1st or 31st of the month?
Rules don't allow that. Unless members put up a resolution, it won't happen.

Do nothing actually cements the current committee's position.
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Technically no. They haven't got quorum to be in control.

In practice, illegally, yes..
I know people are p!$$@d off with how things worked out with fan ownership with some individuals taking the blame, rightly for some of the mistakes. The last time I heard the WST had 2,000 members. All I guess are very loyal Wxm fans who have supported the club through and thick and thin, many going far beyond the average football fan by volunteering, financially over and above buying STs, so the Trust shouldn't be viewed as 'they' but more as 'us'.

Things will obviously change but it's not the members to blame, many went that extra mile in support of their club and with more buy-in possibly could have achieved alot more. What's important now is the role and the need for the Trust to be thrashed out and it's incumbent on members to get things back on an even keel. Anyone not interested should just walk away and stop dwelling on the past and leave it to the fans who are interested or care

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Old 6th April 2021, 09.27:58   #28-0 (permalink)
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The trust should in my view become just that. Trustees of the Lease and existing monies.

This role could be held by say a firm of solicitors. We would need a secretary etc to get us to that point, get it voted through and put the Trust on ice.

A vehicle to protect the ground for ever no need for a board etc.

At this point the chair and vice could and should resign. The situation and their handling of it has been abysmal and disrespectful to the many many who have grafted before them.

I like many have watched on in horror as unprofessionalism has reigned a fiduciary duty ignored.
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Last board meeting minutes 18th Jan 2021. That alone speaks volumes.
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The trust should in my view become just that. Trustees of the Lease and existing monies.

This role could be held by say a firm of solicitors. We would need a secretary etc to get us to that point, get it voted through and put the Trust on ice.

A vehicle to protect the ground for ever no need for a board etc.

At this point the chair and vice could and should resign. The situation and their handling of it has been abysmal and disrespectful to the many many who have grafted before them.

I like many have watched on in horror as unprofessionalism has reigned a fiduciary duty ignored.
Mostly agree. The scope of the WST can be restricted to managing the lease and possibly funding young fans to both support and play for the club.

The current constitution has been overtaken by events and, due to the nature of the organization, we are in danger of doing nothing when leadership is required to redefine the WST’s purpose, and then create an appropriate constitution the WST members can vote on.

I would have thought we can reduce the personnel to one chairman and 4 or 6 board members.

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