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Back on subject. I feel it’s worth a go to use Aldershot as a trial and travel there and back on same day.

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[QUOTE=MichaelP;2516012]Back on subject. I feel it’s worth a go to use Aldershot as a trial and travel there and back on same day.[/QUOTE]

Send one of your emails to Phil P! Let us know what he says won't you.

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[QUOTE=NewportRoadEnd;2516059]Send one of your emails to Phil P! Let us know what he says won't you.[/QUOTE]

Great shout have you got his email address it’s not on the website or anywhere else.

Wonder if it would just be simply?

[email]Phil.Parkinson@wrexhamfc.tv[/email] and/or
[email]Phil.Parkinson@wrexhamafc.co.uk[/email]

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Ever since I originally signed up to redpassion (before rob owned it) there has always been wind ups and people with grudges. Remember one guy trying to cause trouble all because he got sacked from J R Boyle and hated everything to do with club because Boyle's advertised on the next game board.

We've always had nearer club's fans posing at wrexham fans trying to cause rows.

And we've always had people with grudges having a go at the owners trying also to cause disharmony.

Wrexham is now world famous and fans across the country are jealous, they will come on here too.

We also have a group of wrexham fans (some of 31) which want to make our owners unwelcome.

And of course there is some ill feeling by friends of ex staff.

It's going to be more common.

There are enough moans on RP that any of the above can spend ten minutes, put together a list, start a thread and cause more disharmony.

RP users need to be wary, especially after a draw or loss, that the above will try to capitalise.

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Just wondering, has anyone ever seen MichaelP and India Autry in the same room at the same time?

Seem to have something in common involving a cardboard box and numerous amphibians

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[QUOTE=MichaelP;2516012]Back on subject. I feel it’s worth a go to use Aldershot as a trial and travel there and back on same day.[/QUOTE]

maybe we could trial playing them virtually on FIFA and not travel at all, that would save a lot of money - ok, the initial outlay of a PS5 or Xbox would be hefty, and we'd need to find the best eplayer in the squad, but still likely to be cheaper according to your calculations......... and I'm sure our contacts at EA Sports could give the club an advanced copy of FIFA 22

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[QUOTE=TheRealWelshWayne;2516068]Ever since I originally signed up to redpassion (before rob owned it) there has always been wind ups and people with grudges. Remember one guy trying to cause trouble all because he got sacked from J R Boyle and hated everything to do with club because Boyle's advertised on the next game board.

We've always had nearer club's fans posing at wrexham fans trying to cause rows.

And we've always had people with grudges having a go at the owners trying also to cause disharmony.

Wrexham is now world famous and fans across the country are jealous, they will come on here too.

We also have a group of wrexham fans (some of 31) which want to make our owners unwelcome.

And of course there is some ill feeling by friends of ex staff.

It's going to be more common.

There are enough moans on RP that any of the above can spend ten minutes, put together a list, start a thread and cause more disharmony.

RP users need to be wary, especially after a draw or loss, that the above will try to capitalise.[/QUOTE]

What has this got to do with this thread. Should this not be on a thread on it’s own?

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[QUOTE=MichaelP;2516077]What has this got to do with this thread. Should this not be on a thread on it’s own?[/QUOTE]

Thanks for making my point.

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[QUOTE=TheRealWelshWayne;2516082]Thanks for making my point.[/QUOTE]

I will ask you this question only the once. Why are you de-railing this thread?

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Would you have started the thread had we won on Tuesday night?

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[QUOTE=MichaelP;2515663]No matter who the manager has been for the last 15 years + . Overnight stays don’t seem very successful when you look at games we have stayed in hotels for.

What I couldn’t get was the team travelled down on Monday for a game on Tuesday evening.

It used to be that if we had a game in midweek we wouldn’t bother with Hotels but if it was a weekend game and involved a lot of mileage a hotel the night before would be a given.

Now even at the cheapest calculations if you take into account the accommodation and food that all staff would need it’s a big part of the yearly spend.

Say you have 2 players to one room. = £50 for the room x 8 rooms for a squad of 16 players that would come to = £400

Then you of course have management so say Manager / coaches / Physio etc say another 4 rooms = £200

That comes to £600.

Plus meals and drinks could quite easily have not much change from £1,000 from match preparations as opposed to travelling on day and that’s based on the cheapest accommodation food possible booking in advance.

If you then x that be say = 15 games = £15,000 !!

Now if we were successful then it could be argued money well spent but when more often than not it isn’t . Then the money would be much better spent somewhere else?[/QUOTE]

I think that you forget that the WST ( fans ha !) no longer ownes WAFC so trot on and mind your own business !!

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[QUOTE=Redordead;2516087]Would you have started the thread had we won on Tuesday night?[/QUOTE]

It annoyed me that we travelled up on Monday for a game more than 24 hours later. When I found out this information I felt that we would lose the game and as predicted we did.

I get the managers want good preparation and money sometimes can be no object in this. However if it’s not successful then surely we could look to go old school and try the approach of travelling down and returning on the same day. If the legs as some mention aren’t up to it and isn’t working then yes go back to Hotel stays and will admit I am wrong.

Answering your question In all honestly no but I would of posted the thread later in season if required and questioned the success in overnight stays.

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[QUOTE=short_gog;2516075]maybe we could trial playing them virtually on FIFA and not travel at all, that would save a lot of money - ok, the initial outlay of a PS5 or Xbox would be hefty, and we'd need to find the best eplayer in the squad, but still likely to be cheaper according to your calculations......... and I'm sure our contacts at EA Sports could give the club an advanced copy of FIFA 22[/QUOTE]

Ah are you one the posters TheRealWelshWayne is referring to in his post?

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I’m not quite sure how this thread has got 14 pages. Does anyone really believe having a comfortable over night hotel stay like most EFL clubs has a negative affect on the football being played?

The answer is of course not, it only has upsides. We lost to Grimsby because they were better than us on the night and we’d have lost regardless of when we got there

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[QUOTE=MichaelP;2516094]It annoyed me that we travelled up on Monday for a game more than 24 hours later. When I found out this information I felt that we would lose the game and as predicted we did.

I get the managers want good preparation and money sometimes can be no object in this. However if it’s not successful then surely we could look to go old school and try the approach of travelling down and returning on the same day. If the legs as some mention aren’t up to it and isn’t working then yes go back to Hotel stays and will admit I am wrong.

Answering your question In all honestly no but I would of posted the thread later in season if required and questioned the success in overnight stays.[/QUOTE]

As I previously said nothing to do with you so trot on !

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[QUOTE=JonoWafc;2516107]I’m not quite sure how this thread has got 14 pages. Does anyone really believe having a comfortable over night hotel stay like most EFL clubs has a negative affect on the football being played?

The answer is of course not, it only has upsides. We lost to Grimsby because they were better than us on the night and we’d have lost regardless of when we got there[/QUOTE]

This ^

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[QUOTE=Corner Flag;2516109]As I previously said nothing to do with you so trot on ![/QUOTE]

Okay so this forum isn’t about ideas / opinions?

Or is it a case that you don’t agree with said idea / opinion that you have to take the p**s?

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[QUOTE=JonoWafc;2516107]I’m not quite sure how this thread has got 14 pages. Does anyone really believe having a comfortable over night hotel stay like most EFL clubs has a negative affect on the football being played?

The answer is of course not, it only has upsides. We lost to Grimsby because they were better than us on the night and we’d have lost regardless of when we got there[/QUOTE]

I know it’s football but if you treat it like a business just for this analogy.

If something is not working do you carry on or do you think of different ways of working?

I am not saying that my idea will work and if we trialled it and it didn’t then at least we can rule that out and go back to the status quo and travel up the day before.

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[QUOTE=MichaelP;2516113]Okay so this forum isn’t about ideas / opinions?

Or is it a case that you don’t agree with said idea / opinion that you have to take the p**s?[/QUOTE]

When the idea's ridiculous it attracts ridicule.

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[url]http://www.redpassion.co.uk/forums/wrexham/118308-overnight-stay-win-loss-thread.html[/url]

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[QUOTE=LMH23;2516121]When the idea's ridiculous it attracts ridicule.[/QUOTE]

Again when it’s an idea / opinion it’s only deemed ridiculous by the person that doesn’t agree.

In personal life and work life there are things I disagree and think is ridiculous and that maybe the sole / minority / majority’s viewpoint.

I can digress and suggest matters / topics that persons will be for or against ridiculous but we are talking about the original theory behind hotel stays.

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[QUOTE=TheRealWelshWayne;2516129][url]http://www.redpassion.co.uk/forums/wrexham/118308-overnight-stay-win-loss-thread.html[/url][/QUOTE]

You haven’t answered my question about de-railing the original thread.

Your very Paxman-esque asking questions but dodging questions asked from you.

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A couple of years ago we went for a weekend in Norwich and unbeknown to us Spurs were staying there prior to playing the following evening.

Mourinho was in charge and it was eye opening seeing how Prem teams prepare for games. All of the players were locked into the hotel ballroom with the biggest TV I've ever seen in my life watching endless videos and going through tactics. All meals were served in that room.

They would emerge like square eyed zombies to go for a team walk around the hotel grounds with Jose at the front.

Did it work for Spurs? not really [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5ECdi_2XT0[/url]

I'd love to know what PP does with the players during these overnights. All I've seen so far are team walks along the Prom in Southend.

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[QUOTE=MichaelP;2516139]You haven’t answered my question about de-railing the original thread.

Your very Paxman-esque asking questions but dodging questions asked from you.[/QUOTE]

Bit rich coming from you. Twice on this thread I’ve asked you to back your claim up with stats re overnight stays but you have dodged it so far.

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Having spent a lot of time travelling up and down the country and staying in hotels due to work I can say that when I’ve traveled for 2 hours plus on the day prior to work it often feels like I’ve done a days work at the end of the travel. Even if it doesn’t involve any driving or changes.

When I’ve stayed in a hotel the night before I feel much fresher going into work the following day.

A 2 hour plus journey before a game is a disadvantage.

Also some players may have had a journey to make before getting onto the coach.

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[QUOTE=Teifi Red;2516161]Bit rich coming from you. Twice on this thread I’ve asked you to back your claim up with stats re overnight stays but you have dodged it so far.[/QUOTE]

This ^

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[QUOTE=Teifi Red;2516161]Bit rich coming from you. Twice on this thread I’ve asked you to back your claim up with stats re overnight stays but you have dodged it so far.[/QUOTE]

Okay I will break my silence. I do not have the stats to back up my claims. It’s more from gut instinct which you may say is about as much use as …. [ you can finish as you see fit.]

When I have found out the club has stayed overnight my confidence in the team getting a favourable result has taken a knocking but have never made it known until the following day. Once I have had time to think back on the score / stats / performance [ can only really judge this if watch the full length game] then I can determine if was worthy of staying overnight on a monetary level and team bonding level.

The Monetary level is something which isn’t as important as it is when we were supporter run. I was really only highlighting how much on average over the course of season it could cost compared to travelling on the day.

Why do I pick 15 years? I am going back 15 years as this is the time I have been following the club home and away. Taking last year out of the equation for obvious reasons. I have not been able to go to away games as much in the last 3 seasons due to work reasons.

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[QUOTE=RexRentFree;2516183]Having spent a lot of time travelling up and down the country and staying in hotels due to work I can say that when I’ve traveled for 2 hours plus on the day prior to work it often feels like I’ve done a days work at the end of the travel. Even if it doesn’t involve any driving or changes.

When I’ve stayed in a hotel the night before I feel much fresher going into work the following day.

A 2 hour plus journey before a game is a disadvantage.

Also some players may have had a journey to make before getting onto the coach.[/QUOTE]

For me and I guess this is the argument for and against on this thread is that I would much rather commute go to my workplace on the train and come back the same day than staying overnight.

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[QUOTE=Wrexy;2516147]A couple of years ago we went for a weekend in Norwich and unbeknown to us Spurs were staying there prior to playing the following evening.

Mourinho was in charge and it was eye opening seeing how Prem teams prepare for games. All of the players were locked into the hotel ballroom with the biggest TV I've ever seen in my life watching endless videos and going through tactics. All meals were served in that room.

They would emerge like square eyed zombies to go for a team walk around the hotel grounds with Jose at the front.

Did it work for Spurs? not really [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5ECdi_2XT0[/url]

I'd love to know what PP does with the players during these overnights. All I've seen so far are team walks along the Prom in Southend.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Wrexy. Interesting viewpoint.

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[QUOTE=MichaelP;2516104]Ah are you one the posters TheRealWelshWayne is referring to in his post?[/QUOTE]

No, never been sacked by J R Boyle (or even JR Ewing come to that), it would be a complete pane to be sacked by them I'd imagine, but it should be an open and shut case, I could see right through them

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Hotel stays, especially early on in the season will help new players bond more with each other and existing players. It's okay having more talented players but a tight-nit, family style mentality can't harm.

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Think we should stay at the Ritz before every game then drive to the match from there.

Fine wining and dining, soft Egyptian cotton, and early silver-service.

Sure R&R could afford it.

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Can’t work out if MichaelP is a jester fan or a virgin

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[QUOTE=short_gog;2516282]No, never been sacked by J R Boyle (or even JR Ewing come to that), it would be a complete pane to be sacked by them I'd imagine, but it should be an open and shut case, I could see right through them[/QUOTE]

:guitarist: :hurray:

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[QUOTE=forever_red;2516574]Can’t work out if MichaelP is a jester fan or a virgin[/QUOTE]

Well if he is a jester fan he will be both.

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[QUOTE=MichaelP;2516113]Okay so this forum isn’t about ideas / opinions?

Or is it a case that you don’t agree with said idea / opinion that you have to take the p**s?[/QUOTE]

Your original post shown that you know nothing about business and football clubs in general. Yes you can have am opinion but when it's ridiculous expect flack .We don't own the club and anything you say will be a waste of RP time .

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[QUOTE=Corner Flag;2516653]Your original post shown that you know nothing about business and football clubs in general. Yes you can have am opinion but when it's ridiculous expect flack .We don't own the club and anything you say will be a waste of RP time .[/QUOTE]

Ok

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Did we stay overnight last night?

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[QUOTE=blackbrookred;2516616]Well if he is a jester fan he will be both.[/QUOTE]

Love it. Anyway, how come this thread, started by an attention seeker with no evidence whatsoever, is still running?

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For some perspective

Port vale could not even accept card payments anywhere in the ground today