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Old 17th September 2021, 12.30:44   #21-0 (permalink)
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No worries, You just sounded like you had done lots of work with statistics and the sciences. SPSS is the statistical software to help you work out the results of an experiment or study. Enjoy the rest of your friday!
Ah, you're right, I have done that - but the software is bespoke with a fancy name
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Old 17th September 2021, 12.54:50   #22-0 (permalink)
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OP - you have only taken 4 games from this season into account when working out the stats.

A longer period of time is required. I suggest a period of 15 years would be better to get a better idea.
This is not a personal slight at anyone and apart from the financial cost, the benefits of travelling down the day before is already well known. I mentioned that there is data already present about this and there is no need to collect secondary data over a long period of time. The sports science behind the overnight stays is clear (which is why we do it; finance not withstanding) and there are a number of physiological processes which are adversely affected by travel (many of which are still present if you play the game on the same day)...sleep, psychological, wellness, nutritional status, recovery from previous training sessions. Have a look at research from Rabbanni & Buchheit in 2016 or if you want (or disagree) find some other research and see for yourself. From a personal point of view (and as a lecturer in Sports Science) I find this an important aspect of professional sport, especially at our level and above, where fine margins could be the difference between winning and losing. Dave Brailsford talked about "marginal gains" and this is an example of this philosophy...its those 1% gains which could make all the difference
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Old 17th September 2021, 13.00:01   #23-0 (permalink)
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This is not a personal slight at anyone and apart from the financial cost, the benefits of travelling down the day before is already well known. I mentioned that there is data already present about this and there is no need to collect secondary data over a long period of time. The sports science behind the overnight stays is clear (which is why we do it; finance not withstanding) and there are a number of physiological processes which are adversely affected by travel (many of which are still present if you play the game on the same day)...sleep, psychological, wellness, nutritional status, recovery from previous training sessions. Have a look at research from Rabbanni & Buchheit in 2016 or if you want (or disagree) find some other research and see for yourself. From a personal point of view (and as a lecturer in Sports Science) I find this an important aspect of professional sport, especially at our level and above, where fine margins could be the difference between winning and losing. Dave Brailsford talked about "marginal gains" and this is an example of this philosophy...its those 1% gains which could make all the difference
Thank you for that, that’s really interesting.

My viewpoint is just what I have felt with the time I have followed the team up and down.

I can see why managers feel then that overnight stays is the preferred / only option.

There are times though where teams have travelled to Wrexham on the day and beaten us. Would they of done that if stayed overnight?
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Old 17th September 2021, 13.03:26   #24-0 (permalink)
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Thank you for that, that’s really interesting.

My viewpoint is just what I have felt with the time I have followed the team up and down.

I can see why managers feel then that overnight stays is the preferred / only option.

There are times though where teams have travelled to Wrexham on the day and beaten us. Would they of done that if stayed overnight?
Probably as we were probably shite
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Old 17th September 2021, 13.04:22   #25-0 (permalink)
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Probably as we were probably shite
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Old 17th September 2021, 13.48:13   #26-0 (permalink)
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Why stop at 15? Let's go nuts at 50 years. OP better start working it out
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This is not a personal slight at anyone and apart from the financial cost, the benefits of travelling down the day before is already well known. I mentioned that there is data already present about this and there is no need to collect secondary data over a long period of time. The sports science behind the overnight stays is clear (which is why we do it; finance not withstanding) and there are a number of physiological processes which are adversely affected by travel (many of which are still present if you play the game on the same day)...sleep, psychological, wellness, nutritional status, recovery from previous training sessions. Have a look at research from Rabbanni & Buchheit in 2016 or if you want (or disagree) find some other research and see for yourself. From a personal point of view (and as a lecturer in Sports Science) I find this an important aspect of professional sport, especially at our level and above, where fine margins could be the difference between winning and losing. Dave Brailsford talked about "marginal gains" and this is an example of this philosophy...its those 1% gains which could make all the difference
OK now we can close the thread.

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Old 17th September 2021, 14.03:41   #28-0 (permalink)
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some reet bells on here
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Old 17th September 2021, 15.37:15   #29-0 (permalink)
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Without wishing to take this too seriously I suppose one of the benefits of an overnighter at somewhere like Solihull is that the manager knows what they are up to.
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Dave Brailsford talked about "marginal gains" and this is an example of this philosophy...its those 1% gains which could make all the difference
Add in some dodgy injections and your on your way
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