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Old 1st October 2022, 11.15:12   #91-0 (permalink)
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Interesting that some of the FL types on social media are using his appearance and the episode as a whole as some form of advocation of what they do. Apparently they’re the proper fans and anyone who doesn’t go to the match for a scrap isn’t.
Yes, seen that . Hardly surprising.

R and R have made a very serious error on this one.
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You have to take into account the audience which will be far and above those seeing it in the UK. The US and Canada viewers will be much more . And over there there is no hooligan element in football or indeed any of their sport. Those over the pond would be intrigued by the episode. We accept it as normal which of course it should not be.
Again, this isn’t to say that hooliganism and violence are not a problem, because any amount of it is. But as the fans of the club stress throughout the episode, it’s a handful of “fans.” When your home crowds are 9,000-10,000, 40-50 stick out more than they would in Premier League crowds for sure. However, McElhenney makes no bones about his Philadelphia Eagles fandom, a team that used to have a court and jail under its own stadium to deal with all the yobbos who attended. Wouldn’t it be worth him commenting and linking that to the problems Wrexham might be having? Or would that lessen his glow? Or like most Eagles fans, he thinks it’s only part of the charm of being an Eagles fan?
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Interesting that some of the FL types on social media are using his appearance and the episode as a whole as some form of advocation of what they do. Apparently they’re the proper fans and anyone who doesn’t go to the match for a scrap isn’t.
Unbelievable as it may sound some FL will have been disappointed by the lack of Wrexham footage in this episode.

Sounds like we have a decent amount of new material from Oldham preserving the good name of the Town. Got a really bad feeling about today
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Old 1st October 2022, 13.33:08   #94-0 (permalink)
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You have to take into account the audience which will be far and above those seeing it in the UK. The US and Canada viewers will be much more . And over there there is no hooligan element in football or indeed any of their sport. Those over the pond would be intrigued by the episode. We accept it as normal which of course it should not be.
Just a cautionary note about North American sports and hooliganism. You're absolutely right that the hooliganism seems to be absent and the sports in general seem to be more of a family oriented day out.
But there are some black spots. I can't speak knowlegdably about many of the sports but in the NHL there are definitely aspects of violence. Ice hockey has traditionally allowed fighting within the game. It's thankfully being phased out but many fans are not in agreement with it being removed. In Canada there have been large-scale riots in notably Vancouver and Montreal after games and I'm pretty sure that some of the US teams have had similar issues.
I don't want to overstate the issue because it's not in many games and it's (usually) not many people and is the exception, not the rule. But it is a nasty undercurrent.
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They do seem to be concentrating on a certain element of the fan base. Where I sit there are a lot of mostly retired professionals, even though just about all come from working class backgrounds. Maybe they should ask questions of this humble but not boring section of the crowd to show that a working class town can actually produce people who are able to remain passionate about their hometown football club without being abusive, foul mouthed or aggressive. Events at Oldham today may show that is actually a bad idea to emphasise the violence of a tiny minority of fans of most clubs.
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They do seem to be concentrating on a certain element of the fan base. Where I sit there are a lot of mostly retired professionals, even though just about all come from working class backgrounds. Maybe they should ask questions of this humble but not boring section of the crowd to show that a working class town can actually produce people who are able to remain passionate about their hometown football club without being abusive, foul mouthed or aggressive. Events at Oldham today may show that is actually a bad idea to emphasise the violence of a tiny minority of fans of most clubs.


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I was surprised that they had a whole episode on hooligans particularly as a lot of new fans could get the wrong idea that the town and fan base is made up of a bunch of people who just want to cause problems. Also not all fans are expletive driven foul mouths. Maybe a bit of focus on the families that support the club and some of us middle aged fans who have respectfully been going to the Racecourse for years would give a more balanced view of what the town and fan base is actually about.
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A poor episode for me. From a general football fan's perspective, I was disappointed with how it portrayed the issue to a wider audience. The footage shown didn't match my experience of going to football for close to 30 years. I can only imagine it is even more embarrassing to have it directly linked to your club.

I've infrequently seen isolated incidents or the occasional group of kids pogoing around trying to look tough but this episode would have you think that wide scale riots and running street battles are the norm. The inclusion of all of the footage from around the world and from decades ago was a bizarre choice too in a documentary that is supposed to be focusing on Wrexham.

The only bit of interest was the origin of the word hooligan, which seems obvious now but had never occurred to me.

I was glad to see that the next episode returned to form.
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Very poor, people outside Wrexham will think that is what it's like on a regular basis in Wrexham, no explanation that most of the trouble shown had nothing to do with Wrexham i.e. clips from Russia etc.

for me it didn't show that this kind of behaviour is unacceptable in society or in Wrexham.
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