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Old 24th October 2023, 10.24:22   #1-0 (permalink)
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Football had been around for many years before red and yellow cards were introduced in the FL in 1976.

I'm an old fella who remembers the previous system, and the relative "hardness" of the game before then.

Nowadays, we hear about players "taking a card for the team" by committing unfair play, and a yellow card can prelude a red one and a sending off - which might benefit the other team.

An accumulation of yellow cards can lead to a suspension after so many are received by the player.

Some players will attempt to persuade the ref to yellow card an opponent in the pretty certain knowledge that the opponent will have to exercise care to avoid a second yellow and then be sent off. Others will try to gain advantage by rolling around in false agony and hoping the ref issues a straight red.

None of those are consistent with fair play.

So does the punishment need to be changed?

How would it be if a number of accumulated yellows led to an immediate sending off AND a suspension? Might that encourage fewer unfair challenges? Or might it result in even more leniency from some refs?

It's horrifying to hear about some managers encouraging foul tackles, diving, etc to gain an advantage instead of playing fair.

Could we trust the refs to administer rough justice to offenders that get in the way of sporting play by overlooking the cheating and time-wasting that goes on?

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Old 24th October 2023, 10.32:53   #2-0 (permalink)
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There will always be those who look to game the system for any advantage with so much at stake in most games. It’s nice to think people play fair but With peoples jobs and livelihoods on the line in some situations you will always get bending of the rules.
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Football had been around for many years before red and yellow cards were introduced in the FL in 1976.

I'm an old fella who remembers the previous system, and the relative "hardness" of the game before then.

Nowadays, we hear about players "taking a card for the team" by committing unfair play, and a yellow card can prelude a red one and a sending off - which might benefit the other team.

An accumulation of yellow cards can lead to a suspension after so many are received by the player.

Some players will attempt to persuade the ref to yellow card an opponent in the pretty certain knowledge that the opponent will have to exercise care to avoid a second yellow and then be sent off. Others will try to gain advantage by rolling around in false agony and hoping the ref issues a straight red.

None of those are consistent with fair play.

So does the punishment need to be changed?

How would it be if a number of accumulated yellows led to an immediate sending off AND a suspension? Might that encourage fewer unfair challenges? Or might it result in even more leniency from some refs?

It's horrifying to hear about some managers encouraging foul tackles, diving, etc to gain an advantage instead of playing fair.

Could we trust the refs to administer rough justice to offenders that get in the way of sporting play by overlooking the cheating and time-wasting that goes on?

Have your say...
Not sure I necessarily agree on the broader point, but does anyone else feel like our opponents are targeting Mullin in quite a deliberate and nasty fashion the last couple of games following his injury?

First we had Tilt body slamming him to the floor, then the Bradford player shoving him into the hoardings. Not sure what the outcome was with Bradford, but Tilt certainly went unpunished.

I know Mullin's reputation goes before him to some extent re: buying fouls, however that doesn't mean he shouldn't be protected from such cynical play.
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If you’re not cheating you’re not trying hard enough
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Thinking of the Wales recent game against Croatia. Jordan James did a professional foul in the middle of the pitch in the 86th minute. Broke up a very dangerous looking counter attack. He takes a yellow card for the team, helping to secure 3pts in the process. Its a very important part of the game.
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Thinking of the Wales recent game against Croatia. Jordan James did a professional foul in the middle of the pitch in the 86th minute. Broke up a very dangerous looking counter attack. He takes a yellow card for the team, helping to secure 3pts in the process. Its a very important part of the game.
Same thing happened v Bradford with their young lad Pointon hacking down McClean when he was in full flight around the centre spot.

In the same game Mullin gets a yellow in the second minute. It was a yellow no question but it gets the same reaction every time - player who was fouled rolling around in agony, oppo players surround the ref, management get vocal from the sidelines, ref shows the card, player makes an instant recovery. Mullin has to be careful for nearly 90 mins which inhibits his play a bit.
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Thinking of the Wales recent game against Croatia. Jordan James did a professional foul in the middle of the pitch in the 86th minute. Broke up a very dangerous looking counter attack. He takes a yellow card for the team, helping to secure 3pts in the process. Its a very important part of the game.
Exactly what we should’ve done for Bradford’s goal on Saturday. Mendy or one of the other 3 players around the 2 Bradford men need to make a tactical foul and take the yellow card - very naive from us.
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Fouls to stop dangerous game situation with no intention or prospect of getting the ball should just be a red. It is boring and does not need to be part of the game.

As it is we should be doing way more of it especially when our CBs are getting run at.
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My modest proposal is to tie behavior more directly to sporting outcomes instead of administrative disciplinary action:
-Yellow card offense anywhere on the pitch results in a direct free kick from the top of the arc (walls allowed)
-Additional yellow card offenses from the same player each result in a penalty kick (maybe from 18 instead of 12 yards?)
-Red card offenses like violent conduct, serious foul play, etc are terrible enough to warrant going down to 10 as today plus a penalty kick. You shouldn't be able to break a player's leg at 1-0 up with 5 minutes left and still likely win.

Then again I'm a heathen Yank with no respect for the traditions of the game. We do love to change the rules whenever it suits.

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