Phil Wynn.......shhhhhhhhhhhh!!

[sparky]

Originally Posted by daisymay

Has anyone else noticed that the posts on personalities have more input than any other.
Bagger Vance had an ear bashing the other day on one post & as an observer I would say that he is the most genuine poster on RP.
LJ comes across as a bit of a bully. Probably a really nice guy who comes across as aggressive.
1946 just doesn't like The Dell.
The Dell (who WW kind of advised me was one of the people who organised the shirts on a clothesline at the Millenium a few years back) appears so passionate about the club so much so that he willing to take the verbal abuse whatever.
RQ has a really sensible outlook who gets jumped on if he dare agree with anything the Dell has to say.
WHB says what he likes - to hell with the consequences. He should be entitled to his view without being jumped on.
I feel that debate is stifled on RP is stifled because of personalities.
Just an observation.

Your observation is probably right. I'm finding it quite entertaining though watching some of the big hitters doing battle, the current Paxman/Howard style debate is very good and the ding dong between wafc1926 and Rob was worth the admission fee alone.

[The Dell]

Originally Posted by SydneyGogg

Phil

In answer to your question I personally tend to find that yourself and Lindsay opinions sometimes great and thought provoking and aid the WST etc...but then I can find that personal agendas or scare mongering can be evident with remarks made by you both which makes it equally frustrating.

I am not saying that the trust board should "be above the law", and yes we should question decisions we dont agree with, this is a discussions board afterall!

I might not agree with some of your posts...and equally you may not agree with everything I say...thats life and thats whats great about opinion boards.

Everybody is allowed to wear their heart on their sleeve and have the occasional rant...but personally I felt you were trying to undermind the WST bid with questions that you asked.

so to answer your question...no I'm not a Lindsay lover (sorry Lindsay).

One question for you though...If what you were saying about having a consortium ready in the wings...would these people be willing to aid the (hopefully) new board of the WST?

SG Thank-you for your answer.

The consortiums that Lindsay keeps refering to do not exist.

If you remember back in February 2011 I sent an SOS message out to the fans making them aware of the real danager that the club was about to run out of cash and therefore was there any fifty granders out there who were prepared to bank-roll the club until the end of the season. The figure quoted to me by Geoff Moss for £200k/£300k. Whilst there was a local businessman/politician who came forward with offers of help the WST Board and Stephanie Booth declined to engage [even though Colliers Park was being offered up as security]. So not a consortium [even if it was the WST had their chance to be part of it] more an SOS message to the fans. Incidentally Carol Clarke was meant to front the Daily Post SOS appeal [not me] but he was talked out of doing so by Pete Jones of the WST Board on the morning the appeal was to be made.

Move on a few months and Colin Poole has been chased off the scene, the season-ticket receipts are about to run out, Geoff Moss is unwilling/unable to bankroll the club and the WST seem unwilling to assist in any meaningful way {my conversations with WST Board members were that the club is Geoff Moss' responsibility [factually right] and if he doesn't pay the wages etc then so be it.. There was no sale of the ground on the horizon so if my memory is right on the timing I asked Geoff Moss if there was a Plan B in case the WST were unwilling/unable to complete on the purchase of the club. At the time I had grave concerns as to whether the WST Board were actually just going through the motions of being seen to buy the club and as a lifelong fans I wasn't prepared to see the club die whilst the WST made their minds up, hence Plan B.

Plan B entailed asking a few contacts would they be interested in stepping in at the eleventh hour, if the WST Board were to announce the unthinkable ie they could not recommend to it's membership the takeover of our club.

Those individuals I have spoken with are also known to the WST Board and no doubt they have been contacted to see what financial assistance they may be willing to offer as part of the WST takeover.

Apologies for the lengthy reply but I thought it right that you are made aware of the background as these so called consortiums were being formed, as otherwise you might come to the wrong conclusion that I was hell bent on derailing any WST bid.

[RED2309]

Originally Posted by daisymay

Has anyone else noticed that the posts on personalities have more input than any other.
Bagger Vance had an ear bashing the other day on one post & as an observer I would say that he is the most genuine poster on RP.
LJ comes across as a bit of a bully. Probably a really nice guy who comes across as aggressive.
1946 just doesn't like The Dell.
The Dell (who WW kind of advised me was one of the people who organised the shirts on a clothesline at the Millenium a few years back) appears so passionate about the club so much so that he willing to take the verbal abuse whatever.
RQ has a really sensible outlook who gets jumped on if he dare agree with anything the Dell has to say.
WHB says what he likes - to hell with the consequences. He should be entitled to his view without being jumped on.
I feel that debate is stifled on RP is stifled because of personalities.
Just an observation.

It was WAFC's birthday yesterday and he's aged 20 years

[The Crimson Avenger]

Originally Posted by The Dell

Apologies for the lengthy reply but I thought it right that you are made aware of the background as these so called consortiums were being formed, as otherwise you might come to the wrong conclusion that I was hell bent on derailing any WST bid.

why tell people lies then?

The WST phoenix club myth

[Rob]

Note this thread has good debate and no personal insults that I can spot - keep it up!

[Pedro]

Originally Posted by The Dell

SG Thank-you for your answer.

The consortiums that Lindsay keeps refering to do not exist.

If you remember back in February 2011 I sent an SOS message out to the fans making them aware of the real danager that the club was about to run out of cash and therefore was there any fifty granders out there who were prepared to bank-roll the club until the end of the season. The figure quoted to me by Geoff Moss for £200k/£300k. Whilst there was a local businessman/politician who came forward with offers of help the WST Board and Stephanie Booth declined to engage [even though Colliers Park was being offered up as security]. So not a consortium [even if it was the WST had their chance to be part of it] more an SOS message to the fans. Incidentally Carol Clarke was meant to front the Daily Post SOS appeal [not me] but he was talked out of doing so by Pete Jones of the WST Board on the morning the appeal was to be made.

Move on a few months and Colin Poole has been chased off the scene, the season-ticket receipts are about to run out, Geoff Moss is unwilling/unable to bankroll the club and the WST seem unwilling to assist in any meaningful way {my conversations with WST Board members were that the club is Geoff Moss' responsibility [factually right] and if he doesn't pay the wages etc then so be it.. There was no sale of the ground on the horizon so if my memory is right on the timing I asked Geoff Moss if there was a Plan B in case the WST were unwilling/unable to complete on the purchase of the club. At the time I had grave concerns as to whether the WST Board were actually just going through the motions of being seen to buy the club and as a lifelong fans I wasn't prepared to see the club die whilst the WST made their minds up, hence Plan B.

Plan B entailed asking a few contacts would they be interested in stepping in at the eleventh hour, if the WST Board were to announce the unthinkable ie they could not recommend to it's membership the takeover of our club.

Those individuals I have spoken with are also known to the WST Board and no doubt they have been contacted to see what financial assistance they may be willing to offer as part of the WST takeover.

Apologies for the lengthy reply but I thought it right that you are made aware of the background as these so called consortiums were being formed, as otherwise you might come to the wrong conclusion that I was hell bent on derailing any WST bid.

You're a passionate fan, of that I've no doubt, but..........when I see you post I actually pity you, whether it's the politicians belief of self importance or not I don't know.

My veiw and one I believe held by many is that you've been used as a puppet by Moss, you have had a destabalising effect on the fanbase as a whole and are in complete denial about this.

You're whole attitude is summed up in "Colin Poole has been chased off the scene" - that "chasing" did more for the good and survival of our club than any effort on your part

Rant over............reply if you feel you need to - but I hope this is the last time I post anything about you so don't expect further response from myself

[Johnstownexile]

Originally Posted by Pedro

You're a passionate fan, of that I've no doubt, but..........when I see you post I actually pity you, whether it's the politicians belief of self importance or not I don't know.

My veiw and one I believe held by many is that you've been used as a puppet by Moss, you have had a destabalising effect on the fanbase as a whole and are in complete denial about this.

You're whole attitude is summed up in "Colin Poole has been chased off the scene" - that "chasing" did more for the good and survival of our club than any effort on your part

Rant over............reply if you feel you need to - but I hope this is the last time I post anything about you so don't expect further response from myself

Have to say this is exactly what I thought when I read the reply. especially the part about Colin Poole. How can Mr Wynn not see the potential for damage these 'investors' hold, and how can he not grasp that Moss, Booth, Poole, Ward, Roberts & co DO NOT HAVE THE CLUBS INTERESTS AT HEART?

My personal observations also concluded that Mr Wynn has been used by the powerful around these deals, and a little scrutiny of the people he trusts so dearly would go a long way towards rectifying the issues everyone has with his posts. To criticize someone like LJ, who I have never met, but admire greatly for his previous scrutiny of 'tyre kickers', seems not only daft and ill-judged, but exactly what Moss& co would want Mr Wynn to do.

[Bagger Vance]

What has happened has happened. People can have their views on motivation, cause, effect etc.

Hopefully there is no further requirement for any plans other than the current plan A.

Baiting Phil while it may appeal to some as a form of sport doesn't actually get us very far.

This is not me protecting, defending Phil or anyone else for that matter - I am purely stating fact.

Sometimes its good to get things off your chest - probably a good idea for you all to book a room and scream at each other for 2 hours then get over it, you'll feel much better for it.

We need to get over it.

[Quay Red]

It's a distraction from more pressing issues.
The completion of the takeover, the next wage bill, Cost savings and fundraising. Getting the crowds back.

[kingdai2]

Originally Posted by daisymay

Has anyone else noticed that the posts on personalities have more input than any other.
Bagger Vance had an ear bashing the other day on one post & as an observer I would say that he is the most genuine poster on RP.
LJ comes across as a bit of a bully. Probably a really nice guy who comes across as aggressive.
1946 just doesn't like The Dell.
The Dell (who WW kind of advised me was one of the people who organised the shirts on a clothesline at the Millenium a few years back) appears so passionate about the club so much so that he willing to take the verbal abuse whatever.
RQ has a really sensible outlook who gets jumped on if he dare agree with anything the Dell has to say.
WHB says what he likes - to hell with the consequences. He should be entitled to his view without being jumped on.
I feel that debate is stifled on RP is stifled because of personalities.
Just an observation.

Your observations are clearly clouded by personal opinion as well.

To say BV is "the most genuine" person on RP is absolute rubbish and an insult to the hundreds of other posters who are equally as genuine as him on here.

Sorry to take this off topic but I felt the need to comment on such a ridiculous generalisation.