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Very early days in his managerial reign but the signs are not good.
After Andy Davies you would have thought we would have learnt our lesson with promoting an assistant manager. Davies blew last season for us and we are now on a similar downward spiral-Salford was a oneoff.We did not however have to pay off Davies luckily-however in Barrow we have a 2.5 year contract situation and an assistant on same deal. Why on earth did we not just give him a deal until end of season with a renewal dependant on performance-no one would have questioned that given Barrow's 13 year sabbatical from managing. Seems virtually like we have the money for once so let's show it.
I did have concerns about whether Barrow was right person to spend Ward monies and some of the signings are questionable already. Now concerned that the next installment of the Ward monies might be in relation to a change of manager.
The board were forgiven for Gary Mills fiasco and the Andy Davies naivety. If Graham Barrow does not work out the calls for a change will resurface. The board do a huge amount of brilliant work on an unpaid basis but fans only have a certain level of tolerance. Did say when appointment was made that it could backfire on the board which gives me no pleasure whatsoever.

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[QUOTE=Rob Edwards;2218253]Very early days in his managerial reign but the signs are not good.
After Andy Davies you would have thought we would have learnt our lesson with promoting an assistant manager. Davies blew last season for us and we are now on a similar downward spiral-Salford was a oneoff.We did not however have to pay off Davies luckily-however in Barrow we have a 2.5 year contract situation and an assistant on same deal. Why on earth did we not just give him a deal until end of season with a renewal dependant on performance-no one would have questioned that given Barrow's 13 year sabbatical from managing. Seems virtually like we have the money for once so let's show it.
I did have concerns about whether Barrow was right person to spend Ward monies and some of the signings are questionable already. Now concerned that the next installment of the Ward monies might be in relation to a change of manager.
The board were forgiven for Gary Mills fiasco and the Andy Davies naivety. If Graham Barrow does not work out the calls for a change will resurface. The board do a huge amount of brilliant work on an unpaid basis but fans only have a certain level of tolerance. Did say when appointment was made that it could backfire on the board which gives me no pleasure whatsoever.[/QUOTE]

Barrow is not the answer. He has favourites. Some players not been given a chance. See how we get on but if we still don't win away from home and we still cannot score then alarm bells should be ringing from the boards point of view and fans as well!

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If results don’t changed he can be sacked, simple. Contracts meant nothing these days. However he deserves a few more games with the new signings but if it’s still not good then I hope the board don’t dither and do the right thing

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Only thing that worried me was his lack of rotation in recent games.Thought we'd see some freshening up at Salford,during a very busy period,but gave him benefit of doubt,'important game','best side' and all that.But frustrating on Sat before game,when I saw him putting out more or less the same side AGAIN [our fifth game in 14 days,and another to come tonight].We don't have a huge squad,true,but we have had options available and his reluctance to freshen things up gave me the impression of someone who's not that flexible in his thinking.T'was a worry, to be sure.

I sincerely hope to be proven wrong.:(

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I like Barrow .

The thing that worries me is whether he is too old school and dated in his ways. Bringing in Newell didn’t ease these concerns.
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I think a lot of players are too blame for tonite.
To perform so badly after Saturday shows a lack of respect for GB and the fans.

GB knows the squad isnt good enough hence 3 signings and maybe a few more are needed.

I think Grant will prove a huge mistake, Summerfield seems lost, Wright isnt good enough for CM and Young is out of his depth. Add Ruthers and Roberts to the mix and its hardly a surprise we look disjointed.

GB can make changes this week and I think needs to consider the same for the next league game. If we leave it as it is we will get the same results.
Hopefully Walker is back but it then needs a new CM with him and switch to a more solid 442 with Tollitt RM and Beavon LM. At least we will get effort.

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[QUOTE=pagl;2218275]I think a lot of players are too blame for tonite.
To perform so badly after Saturday shows a lack of respect for GB and the fans.

GB knows the squad isnt good enough hence 3 signings and maybe a few more are needed.

I think Grant will prove a huge mistake, Summerfield seems lost, Wright isnt good enough for CM and Young is out of his depth. Add Ruthers and Roberts to the mix and its hardly a surprise we look disjointed.

GB can make changes this week and I think needs to consider the same for the next league game. If we leave it as it is we will get the same results.
Hopefully Walker is back but it then needs a new CM with him and switch to a more solid 442 with Tollitt RM and Beavon LM. At least we will get effort.[/QUOTE]

Grant was signed originally by Ricketts so did not have to extend his deal at all. Surprised Barrow did not go after Henry Jones from Bala (Fylde last season) given he would know him. Would score more goals and definitely cheaper.
Needs to realise quickly too that if you do not score you will not win games-so not sensible to play Summerfield, Rutherford, Beavon, Grant, Wright together as all are poor finishers unfortunately.

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[QUOTE=Rob Edwards;2218285]Grant was signed originally by Ricketts so did not have to extend his deal at all. Surprised Barrow did not go after Henry Jones from Bala (Fylde last season) given he would know him. Would score more goals and definitely cheaper.
Needs to realise quickly too that if you do not score you will not win games-so not sensible to play Summerfield, Rutherford, Beavon, Grant, Wright together as all are poor finishers unfortunately.[/QUOTE]

Defences win titles, goals win games.
Based on the the 5 games then were going to struggle with both.

3 games in 2019 and no goals :( and no clean sheets.

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[QUOTE=pagl;2218294]Defences win titles, goals win games.
Based on the the 5 games then were going to struggle with both.

3 games in 2019 and no goals :( and no clean sheets.[/QUOTE]

Pretty damming Pagl-and you still get people turning round saying can't win them all or let's stick together.. Barrow mentioning centre half and not a midfielder does not bode well either. Risk is will end playing long ball and he will be the new Brian Little. That would make the Racecourse toxic.

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The thing is this board are to blame for the managerial farce thats been going on since gary mills. They take the cheap and easy way if all these managers were ringing up to apply for the job why did nt they get an interview this board are scared to spend they will always take the cheap option again and again.as for an invester comong in do you think they would hand over the reins to them and not be in the limelight not a chance in hell they think they own this club and to be honest they are f--king it up slowly and surely

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[QUOTE=Rob Edwards;2218253]Very early days in his managerial reign but the signs are not good.
After Andy Davies you would have thought we would have learnt our lesson with promoting an assistant manager. Davies blew last season for us and we are now on a similar downward spiral-Salford was a oneoff.We did not however have to pay off Davies luckily-however in Barrow we have a 2.5 year contract situation and an assistant on same deal. Why on earth did we not just give him a deal until end of season with a renewal dependant on performance-no one would have questioned that given Barrow's 13 year sabbatical from managing. Seems virtually like we have the money for once so let's show it.
I did have concerns about whether Barrow was right person to spend Ward monies and some of the signings are questionable already. Now concerned that the next installment of the Ward monies might be in relation to a change of manager.
The board were forgiven for Gary Mills fiasco and the Andy Davies naivety. If Graham Barrow does not work out the calls for a change will resurface. The board do a huge amount of brilliant work on an unpaid basis but fans only have a certain level of tolerance. Did say when appointment was made that it could backfire on the board which gives me no pleasure whatsoever.[/QUOTE]

Wow what a drama queen .So we lost a few games and all of a sudden it's Barrows fault or the board etc. Salford didn't win in 6 games and turned it around let's just wait and see what Barrow does now with the new signings we are still on the top 7 and a few wins and back to top 3 for fcuk sake !

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[QUOTE=the sleeping giant dies;2218311]The thing is this board are to blame for the managerial farce thats been going on since gary mills. They take the cheap and easy way if all these managers were ringing up to apply for the job why did nt they get an interview this board are scared to spend they will always take the cheap option again and again.as for an invester comong in do you think they would hand over the reins to them and not be in the limelight not a chance in hell they think they own this club and to be honest they are f--king it up slowly and surely[/QUOTE]

Can you provide any facts to back this up?

Proper strange post.

[QUOTE=WREX01;2218274]I like Barrow .

The thing that worries me is whether he is too old school and dated in his ways. Bringing in Newell didn’t ease these concerns.
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Too old, full stop. How much hunger has he got left? If he fails here he will simply retire (again). Keates and Ricketts both saw the light and left before the inevitable fail, which would have made it difficult for them to get another job.

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Graham Alexander
Dave Challoner
Tim flowers
Steve Watson
Justin Edinburgh
Daryl McMahon

Seems like the young upcoming managers are doing the business in this league. The old style tactics are going out of the game

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[QUOTE=Wrexham_fan_4eva!;2218329]Graham Alexander
Dave Challoner
Tim flowers
Steve Watson
Justin Edinburgh
Daryl McMahon

Seems like the young upcoming managers are doing the business in this league. The old style tactics are going out of the game[/QUOTE]

What do you mean by old tactics? If you mean what i think you mean then I'd hardly call Flowers a revolutionist. Personally I welcomed a bit of old school because I think we have folk at the club who are far too tactical for their own good who make a simple game very complicated. It's not a game of chess at this level, nor do we need quarter backs. As Jack Charlton said, just put the feckers under pressure.

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How many managers has Darlington worked under now where the football has been in the main, dreadful?

I'm still waiting for his supposed coaching skills to be reflected on the pitch, does anyone know how long this takes?

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[QUOTE=Phils-an-alki;2218338]How many managers has Darlington worked under now where the football has been in the main, dreadful?

I'm still waiting for his supposed coaching skills to be reflected on the pitch, does anyone know how long this takes?[/QUOTE]

Spot on this. Don’t know why people think he is the messiah?

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Failing to get a play off spot each season has to be seen as a massive failure. Surely by now we’d be implementing a release clause in all our contracts should we fail to secure a play off spot.

Would anyone come to a club like Wrexham and not have complete confidence of at least creating the 7th best squad in the division, or if they won’t do we even want them?

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This current model seems setup to compete in this division season after season.
We get told that we’re aiming for promotion season after season. But based on very questionable decisions over recent seasons I don’t think promotion is a priority behind the scenes.

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I think we are the longest serving National league team now. All other teams have gone up or down over the last 10 years or so.

Yes lots of fantastic stuff has happened in all aspects of the club, but lets be frank, the bread and butter stuff is on the pitch.

In that regard we have failed miserably, with not reaching the playoffs since 2013, which is not good enough by a long stretch.

If the wheels do fall off this season, then it could be the straw that breaks the camel's back for a few fans.

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I'm ready for a total change in the direction of Wrexham. We seem to have a back room staff whose contribution is negligible. I would love to see some Welsh players at the club. At the moment Liverpool seems to be the flavour of the month. What is now happening with the youth set up. Do we have one as we hear nothing about it. Basically at 66 years of age I'm finally fed up.

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[QUOTE=redinsaudi;2218341]Spot on this. Don’t know why people think he is the messiah?[/QUOTE]

It certainly not based on anything he's done at this club.
Probably his days at TNS which lets be honest isn't exactly difficult when they can just buy the league every season.

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I am under the impression that for the past few years, we have not had a reserve team playing in a regular league. This is shocking. How the hell is a club with aspirations, going to get players back from injury. They might be fit but not match fit. There is probably a rock solid reason for this, but I think that it is pretty poor.

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[QUOTE=Willywill;2218351]I am under the impression that for the past few years, we have not had a reserve team playing in a regular league. This is shocking. How the hell is a club with aspirations, going to get players back from injury. They might be fit but not match fit. There is probably a rock solid reason for this, but I think that it is pretty poor.[/QUOTE]

Money.

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[QUOTE=Wrexham_fan_4eva!;2218329]Graham Alexander
Dave Challoner
Tim flowers
Steve Watson
Justin Edinburgh
Daryl McMahon

Seems like the young upcoming managers are doing the business in this league. The old style tactics are going out of the game[/QUOTE]

Tim Flowers - Solihull big boot to 7 foot CF's, I beg to differ !!

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[QUOTE=bolan;2218354]Tim Flowers - Solihull big boot to 7 foot CF's, I beg to differ !![/QUOTE]

They won 1-2 at Gateshead last night.

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[QUOTE=the sleeping giant dies;2218311]The thing is this board are to blame for the managerial farce thats been going on since gary mills. They take the cheap and easy way if all these managers were ringing up to apply for the job why did nt they get an interview this board are scared to spend they will always take the cheap option again and again.as for an invester comong in do you think they would hand over the reins to them and not be in the limelight not a chance in hell they think they own this club and to be honest they are f--king it up slowly and surely[/QUOTE]

Keates was a good appointment, so was Ricketts, Lawrence would have followed the same criteria, and Barrow's appointment as assistant made sense.
Appointing Barrow before DL was finalised was the big error.
From that point, making GB up, and letting him choose his assistant broke the mould. We can only hope these few games are just a blip, like every team has, and all will be rosy come April.
I have my doubts.

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[QUOTE=Stafford Red;2218369]Keates was a good appointment, so was Ricketts, Lawrence would have followed the same criteria, and Barrow's appointment as assistant made sense.
Appointing Barrow before DL was finalised was the big error.
From that point, making GB up, and letting him choose his assistant broke the mould. We can only hope these few games are just a blip, like every team has, and all will be rosy come April.
I have my doubts.[/QUOTE]

What did Keates and Ricketts do here that made them good appointments exactly?

Barrow's appointment made no sense and anyone thinking he was the boards first or even second choice is kidding themselves. He hasn't managed for over 10 years and had no desire to do so. How does that make sense? Plus lessons not learnt from last season leaves you wondering at the level of arrogance there is in the boardroom. Not good enough.
I agree giving Barrow that deal before they got a manager in was bizarre and piss poor.

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[QUOTE=Phils-an-alki;2218370]What did Keates and Ricketts do here that made them good appointments exactly?

Barrow's appointment made no sense and anyone thinking he was the boards first or even second choice is kidding themselves. He hasn't managed for over 10 years and had no desire to do so. How does that make sense? Plus lessons not learnt from last season leaves you wondering at the level of arrogance there is in the boardroom. Not good enough.
I agree giving Barrow that deal before they got a manager in was bizarre and piss poor.[/QUOTE]

Never rated Keates or Ricketts. Just learning their trade in a piss poor league for which it really has been for the last three seasons. Someone with a bit of balls and know how would have got us out. Seems the board are happy with mediocre and a few quid in the bank.

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[QUOTE=redinsaudi;2218371]Never rated Keates or Ricketts. Just learning their trade in a piss poor league for which it really has been for the last three seasons. .[/QUOTE]

Talk about revisionist history...

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[QUOTE=Rhosymedre Red;2218365]They won 1-2 at Gateshead last night.[/QUOTE]

I am half tempted to put a bet on Solihull to be champions.

We are imploding, Orient are stuttering, Salford are unpredictable.

Yet Solihull have been consistent from day one.
Crazy but they could just do it....

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[QUOTE=Phils-an-alki;2218370]What did Keates and Ricketts do here that made them good appointments exactly?
[/QUOTE]

You are turning into a WUM. :eek:

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[QUOTE=Ooh aah Paskin;2218379]I am half tempted to put a bet on Solihull to be champions.

We are imploding, Orient are stuttering, Salford are unpredictable.

Yet Solihull have been consistent from day one.
Crazy but they could just do it....[/QUOTE]

But according to RP, Flowers is not worthy. He has done a good job at Solihull in a very short time.

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[QUOTE=aussiejackoinsaudi;2218347]I'm ready for a total change in the direction of Wrexham. We seem to have a back room staff whose contribution is negligible. I would love to see some Welsh players at the club. At the moment Liverpool seems to be the flavour of the month. What is now happening with the youth set up. Do we have one as we hear nothing about it. Basically at 66 years of age I'm finally fed up.[/QUOTE]

If we cannot improve the squad and team now with this Ward and FA cup money then we may as well consign ourselves to this level and make plans for 2,500 crowds and the budget that goes with it.

I was expecting more this Jan window and question the sanity of attending home games like Braintree, Dover, Bromley with their handful of supporters.

Fk me its hard work after over 10 years

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[QUOTE=cardiffred;2218381]You are turning into a WUM. :eek:[/QUOTE]

Your reply to my post is far more in the WUM category than what I posted.
What are you turning into? Someone who just snipes at others daring to have an opinion that differs from the sheep.

You could have of course chosen to answer the question I posed instead of spineless sniping. Revolutionary I know.

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[QUOTE=cardiffred;2218378]Talk about revisionist history...[/QUOTE]

It’s a fans forum, it’s about opinions and that’s mine. Appointing first time
Managers is a risk and both of these hardly set the (very poor) league on fire. Stats don’t lie

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[QUOTE=Kiddy Dragon;2218383]But according to RP, Flowers is not worthy. He has done a good job at Solihull in a very short time.[/QUOTE]

Again, their frontline are miles better than ours, could we afford Wright, youseff and Blisset?

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[QUOTE=Phils-an-alki;2218388]Your reply to my post is far more in the WUM category than what I posted.
What are you turning into? Someone who just snipes at others daring to have an opinion that differs from the sheep.

You could have of course chose to answer the question I posed instead of spineless sniping. Revolutionary I know.[/QUOTE]

He just posts to please, always has done.

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[QUOTE=dixienormous;2218391]He just posts to please, always has done.[/QUOTE]

Oh I know that. Thinks he's better than others.

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[QUOTE=dixienormous;2218390]Again, their frontline are miles better than ours, could we afford Wright, youseff and Blisset?[/QUOTE]

Flowers would come here but he wouldn’t apply while in contract we’d have to get him. Imagine that ;) horse has bolted down a 2.5 contract.