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[QUOTE=KingBuxton_Forever red;2305561]Come on Phil, even you must be fed up of all this. No focus on the football, all in fighting. Just depressing.
[/QUOTE]

What? You asked where it was wrong and I've pointed it out. But you've just ignored that and moved onto another subject now? Bit weird that mate, in the nicest possible way.

I agree it is depressing but this is what its come to, people can blame the fans all they want but the people in charge can stop all this now, they choose not to. Its on their heads.

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It was a really horrible watch.

Felt sorry for Dixie. Sorry for Keates. Sorry for Carl Hogan. Just a depressing watch.

The way the club has treated Flynn is very sad but not at all surprising.

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[QUOTE=paddockgraham;2305321]we are in safe hands with Dixie, one of our best shotstoppers ever[/QUOTE]

Dixie McNeil a shotstopper?

What the hell are you even smoking these days

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You were not around in the 80s. Didn’t he play in goal or am I thinking about Bobby Roberts

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[QUOTE=crazywelsh;2305627]Dixie McNeil a shotstopper?

What the hell are you even smoking these days[/QUOTE]

He lost the plot long ago. Logs on here, usually late at night, manages to thump his keyboard a few times to blurt out some mindless ramblings then disappears again.

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[QUOTE=crazywelsh;2305627]Dixie McNeil a shotstopper?

What the hell are you even smoking these days[/QUOTE]

Who knows?

Anyway, no-one would be a better shot stopper than Joe Clarke. legend.

:D

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[QUOTE=Wreck Sam;2305318]Dixie has been used big time by the board.[/QUOTE]

He's a big boy now. He could have said no if he didn't want to.

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[QUOTE=WREXHAM TID;2305359]Board are damed if they show up “look at arrogance appointing a manager fans didn’t want”

Damed if they don’t show up “board couldn’t even face the fans” “bet they couldn’t get time off work”

People wanted a football man to appoint the manager so Dixie led the process and not Spencer.

People wanted a full time assistant manager (rightly so) we get Andy Davies back and people are fuming.

I don’t agree with the board decisions over the last 12 months but they are dammed if they do and dammed if they don’t.
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My feelings also. If we win the next 2 home games what will they moan about then !!

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[QUOTE=bolan;2305646]He's a big boy now. He could have said no if he didn't want to.[/QUOTE]

Listen to the interview again... he did say no. Keep up.

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[QUOTE=WREXHAM TID;2305359]Board are damed if they show up “look at arrogance appointing a manager fans didn’t want”

Damed if they don’t show up “board couldn’t even face the fans” “bet they couldn’t get time off work”

People wanted a football man to appoint the manager so Dixie led the process and not Spencer.

People wanted a full time assistant manager (rightly so) we get Andy Davies back and people are fuming.

I don’t agree with the board decisions over the last 12 months but they are dammed if they do and dammed if they don’t.
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I think when people talked about 'a football man' they were probably thinking he would have had experience of the professional game within the last 20 years?

Using McNeil looks like lipservice, and a very cynical attempt to lay any future problems at someone else's door.

As for Davies people will be remembering the team's performances with him as caretaker. The players shafted him and us. That doesn't strike me as someone players value or respect. Let's also not forget that along with Keates he failed in the same role at Walsall.

It's not the same issue but do you think fans would welcome Newell back? He was full-time?

Me neither.

As for board members not appearing, well they've been there for every other manager press event since WST took over. Why is this appointment so special?

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[QUOTE=Wreck Sam;2305656]Listen to the interview again... he did say no. Keep up.[/QUOTE]

It beggars belief the amount of people on this thread that haven't got the brains to actually listen and watch the press conference before agreeing with a post that's got its facts wrong.

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[QUOTE=LlayDragon;2305668]I think when people talked about 'a football man' they were probably thinking he would have had experience of the professional game within the last 20 years?

Using McNeil looks like lipservice, and a very cynical attempt to lay any future problems at someone else's door.

As for Davies people will be remembering the team's performances with him as caretaker. The players shafted him and us. That doesn't strike me as someone players value or respect. Let's also not forget that along with Keates he failed in the same role at Walsall.

It's not the same issue but do you think fans would welcome Newell back? He was full-time?

Me neither.

As for board members not appearing, well they've been there for every other manager press event since WST took over. Why is this appointment so special?[/QUOTE]

Bryan Hughes sat there alone. Bottled that one too.

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[QUOTE=WREXHAM TID;2305359]
People wanted a football man to appoint the manager so Dixie led the process and not Spencer.

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Do you think Dixie is lying when he said he didn’t lead the process?

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[QUOTE=Ex Limassol Red;2305628]You were not around in the 80s. Didn’t he play in goal or am I thinking about Bobby Roberts[/QUOTE]

Roberts played himself in goal, though dixie did bring himself off the bench in one game I remember.

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I’d be shocked if this so called “process” didn’t consist of Harris or Mills simply texting Keates to see if he was interested (before Hughes even went no doubt).

McNeil a “football man” just because he played here 40 years ago. Ok. He’s been used here and if he can’t see it then that’s his own fault. Maybe those complimentary match days are too good to give up.

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[QUOTE=gazaw;2305392]Let's just concentrate all our efforts in supporting the manager and the team in leading us up the table. These rants against the board in some cases are justified, however they seem to have become an obsession with some. The place to sort things out are at an AGM or EGM where we can have our say in an official capacity.[/QUOTE]

Well said.

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[QUOTE=Funny_Old_Game;2305689]I’d be shocked if this so called “process” didn’t consist of Harris or Mills simply texting Keates to see if he was interested (before Hughes even went no doubt).

McNeil a “football man” just because he played here 40 years ago. Ok. He’s been used here and if he can’t see it then that’s his own fault. Maybe those complimentary match days are too good to give up.[/QUOTE]

You have to be pretty daft to think that bringing in a guy who has been out of football in any capacity for 20 odd years is going to appease those wanting someone with football knowledge to help make these decisions.
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
Every week this board produce a face palm moment.

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RP has become a snake pit and home to an unbalanced discourse IMO.
Why the deep and bitter loathing of Keates? Hadn’t he got us into a playoff position? That’s why Walsall came calling. Ditto with Ricketts and Shrewsbury. How are these examples of constantly running a defective manager selection process. OK, you can quote the opaque BH selection and other blips but let’s have some balance. And resorting to denigrating Dixie, just as another legend Arfon has been in the past on these pages, because they worked with the Board, is out of order in my book.

Re Keates, if anyone was offered a doubling/tripling of wage/salary, would they not take it. Turning down the opportunity to progress professionally and refusing the money would be irrational. The only thing which might make a difference would be family factors. Did the Cowleys turn down Lincoln, and then Huddersfield? Did any manager turn down such opportunities? Would we?
I haven’t got time to micromonitor what the Board does. And maybe I am missing something on the relationship between the Board and the Trust. However, I take the long view. What I know is that pre-2011, the Trust over a long period had the sense to raise and save half a million pounds in anticipation of a supporters’ take-over. Without the Trust’s foresight there would be no Club.

I know also that the Trust guided us through a hugely complex take-over and transition as a result of a collection of hugely competent individuals giving their time and range of expertise for free; and that since 2011, the club with the financial support of the Trust membership, has been put onto a viable and sustainable commercial footing. And this without the huge subsidies that the local Mr Bigs (some business men are genuine and caring of their clubs but there are many chancers) or the Class of 92. Those business men subsidies are simply not available to us. Look next door to Chester to see the counter scenario with both failed private and supporter ownership ownership.
As for on the pitch this season, look at what happens when a more attacking approach coincides with two (GK, CF) out of three key players (GK, CF, CB) being long term injured.

I am one of these who don’t like the abuse on here nor the foul-mouthed chanting from the terraces, at its worst when we had a thousand kids in for the Sutton game. Keep the vile one-liner abuse off-line.

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[QUOTE=WREXHAM TID;2305359]Board are damed if they show up “look at arrogance appointing a manager fans didn’t want”

Damed if they don’t show up “board couldn’t even face the fans” “bet they couldn’t get time off work”

People wanted a football man to appoint the manager so Dixie led the process and not Spencer.

People wanted a full time assistant manager (rightly so) we get Andy Davies back and people are fuming.

I don’t agree with the board decisions over the last 12 months but they are dammed if they do and dammed if they don’t.
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Fair point, the board were never going to come out good in all this. First for the cockups in the past 10months and for then appointing an unpopular manager. I think they stayed away to keep the focus just on deans appointment rather than the meeting getting sidetracked.

The board worded in the statement that Dixie headed the decision to appoint Keates which he clearly denies. The board were obviously trying to sugarcoat the appointment, however Dixie did confirm he was one of three who took the interview and also agreed that keates was the best man for the job. When you sum it all up with budgets and who’s available right now, maybe Keates was the best for the role. Hard to take for some and certainly wouldn’t have been my choice but we might as well get behind the team regardless. I agree that the EGM or AGM is the place to get changes made rather than protesting at the ground. (At this stage at least).

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[QUOTE=krux;2305688]Roberts played himself in goal, though dixie did bring himself off the bench in one game I remember.[/QUOTE]

yes that was x rated stuff

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[QUOTE=bolan;2305650]My feelings also. If we win the next 2 home games what will they moan about then !![/QUOTE]

That we are still in the Tunnocks caramel wafer cup?

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[QUOTE=Ooh aah Paskin;2305719]That we are still in the Tunnocks caramel wafer cup?[/QUOTE]

Actually if keates gets us dumped out of that , I may change my view of him.

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[QUOTE=rayred;2305694]RP has become a snake pit and home to an unbalanced discourse IMO.
Why the deep and bitter loathing of Keates? Hadn’t he got us into a playoff position? That’s why Walsall came calling. Ditto with Ricketts and Shrewsbury. How are these examples of constantly running a defective manager selection process. OK, you can quote the opaque BH selection and other blips but let’s have some balance. And resorting to denigrating Dixie, just as another legend Arfon has been in the past on these pages, because they worked with the Board, is out of order in my book.

[COLOR="Red"]Barrow, Newell, Hughes....? I agree Ricketts was a good choice but depending on the version of events you follow, was not given free rein to bring in his own team which is not good. You sort of answer your first question about Keates when saying 'hadn't he got us into a play off position?' Yes he did, then left with 8 games to go. That is probably why posters have an issue. Haven't seen anyone denigrating Dixie, most feel sorry for him.[/COLOR]
Re Keates, if anyone was offered a doubling/tripling of wage/salary, would they not take it. Turning down the opportunity to progress professionally and refusing the money would be irrational. The only thing which might make a difference would be family factors. Did the Cowleys turn down Lincoln, and then Huddersfield? Did any manager turn down such opportunities? Would we?
[COLOR="red"]Fair Point, I agree it was too good an offer for him to turn down. But at that crucial stage, the board should be saying no to any approaches until after the season end.[/COLOR]
I haven’t got time to micromonitor what the Board does. And maybe I am missing something on the relationship between the Board and the Trust. However, I take the long view. What I know is that pre-2011, the Trust over a long period had the sense to raise and save half a million pounds in anticipation of a supporters’ take-over. Without the Trust’s foresight there would be no Club.

[COLOR="red"]No-one is doubting this, or even questioning it. The issues with the 'current' board have nothing whatsoever to do with this IMO.[/COLOR]

I know also that the Trust guided us through a hugely complex take-over and transition as a result of a collection of hugely competent individuals giving their time and range of expertise for free; and that since 2011, the club with the financial support of the Trust membership, has been put onto a viable and sustainable commercial footing. And this without the huge subsidies that the local Mr Bigs (some business men are genuine and caring of their clubs but there are many chancers) or the Class of 92. Those business men subsidies are simply not available to us. Look next door to Chester to see the counter scenario with both failed private and supporter ownership ownership.

[COLOR="red"]The club has been put on a sustainable footing, and that is commendable. However, it has grown stagnant now it is clear we have gone as far as we can without any external investment. It is the apparent refusal to consider this move that is irking many people. And looking at the league as a whole, I would say there are far more trustworthy private owners out there than charlatans. No-one is saying accept the first offer that comes along, but just CONSIDER offers..[/COLOR]

As for on the pitch this season, look at what happens when a more attacking approach coincides with two (GK, CF) out of three key players (GK, CF, CB) being long term injured.

[COLOR="red"]I'm sorry, but you need more than three key players to be successful IMO. I would say at least 16.[/COLOR]

I am one of these who don’t like the abuse on here nor the foul-mouthed chanting from the terraces, at its worst when we had a thousand kids in for the Sutton game. Keep the vile one-liner abuse off-line

[COLOR="red"]Totally agree on the vile and personal abuse. But protesting done well has its merits.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Just a few of my thoughts, to spark reasoned debate?

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[QUOTE=rayred;2305694]RP has become a snake pit and home to an unbalanced discourse IMO.
Why the deep and bitter loathing of Keates? Hadn’t he got us into a playoff position? That’s why Walsall came calling. Ditto with Ricketts and Shrewsbury. How are these examples of constantly running a defective manager selection process. OK, you can quote the opaque BH selection and other blips but let’s have some balance. And resorting to denigrating Dixie, just as another legend Arfon has been in the past on these pages, because they worked with the Board, is out of order in my book.

Re Keates, if anyone was offered a doubling/tripling of wage/salary, would they not take it. Turning down the opportunity to progress professionally and refusing the money would be irrational. The only thing which might make a difference would be family factors. Did the Cowleys turn down Lincoln, and then Huddersfield? Did any manager turn down such opportunities? Would we?
I haven’t got time to micromonitor what the Board does. And maybe I am missing something on the relationship between the Board and the Trust. However, I take the long view. What I know is that pre-2011, the Trust over a long period had the sense to raise and save half a million pounds in anticipation of a supporters’ take-over. Without the Trust’s foresight there would be no Club.

I know also that the Trust guided us through a hugely complex take-over and transition as a result of a collection of hugely competent individuals giving their time and range of expertise for free; and that since 2011, the club with the financial support of the Trust membership, has been put onto a viable and sustainable commercial footing. And this without the huge subsidies that the local Mr Bigs (some business men are genuine and caring of their clubs but there are many chancers) or the Class of 92. Those business men subsidies are simply not available to us. Look next door to Chester to see the counter scenario with both failed private and supporter ownership ownership.
As for on the pitch this season, look at what happens when a more attacking approach coincides with two (GK, CF) out of three key players (GK, CF, CB) being long term injured.

I am one of these who don’t like the abuse on here nor the foul-mouthed chanting from the terraces, at its worst when we had a thousand kids in for the Sutton game. Keep the vile one-liner abuse off-line.[/QUOTE]

He got us into a playoff position and left. He did not get us into the playoffs. He achieved nothing.

Ricketts is less of a snake than Keates. I can't think of another manager that left in the manner that Keates did and was welcomed back, let alone so shortly after leaving.

You quote all the mistakes as just being "other blips". There have been some crazy decisions from the club that haven't been acknowledged or explained by the board. The decisions that have left us where we are have just been met by spin and arrogance.

As for Keates leaving it was not a option to progress professionally. He only needs to look at the man that signed him for Wrexham to see that jumping ship without achieving a thing can kill your career. And that's what happened, his career was dead at this level and we're the only club without an ounce of self respect that will take him back.

Again we have another crazy comparison. Here's the managerial history of Danny Cowley:

Took Concord Rangers up 3 divisions and was loyal to them for 7 years

Took Braintree to 3rd in the league, their highest ever league finish and lost out in the playoffs, did not ditch them early despite interest from Lincoln, tried to finish the job

At Lincoln he won the title, got to the FA Cup Quarter Finals, won the EFL trophy at Wembley in Lincolns first ever appearance at Wembley, finished in the playoffs and then won them the league title to go into league 1

None of the clubs that Cowley managed payed for his degree, helped him study whilst also playing through the scheme the club put on, he didn't play any of the teams he managed for a long period of time, he didn't have first hand experience of the pain of being in the tinpot leagues they were in, the fans of his former clubs didn't hand over £100k because they believed in him so much, he always stook the season out with the clubs he managed, he always achieved things and then left. The club that gave him his first break in management he spent 7 years and 3 promotions at. Keates didn't even complete a full season here

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[QUOTE=northwalian dragon;2305791]He got us into a playoff position and left. He did not get us into the playoffs. He achieved nothing.

Ricketts is less of a snake than Keates. I can't think of another manager that left in the manner that Keates did and was welcomed back, let alone so shortly after leaving.

You quote all the mistakes as just being "other blips". There have been some crazy decisions from the club that haven't been acknowledged or explained by the board. The decisions that have left us where we are have just been met by spin and arrogance.

As for Keates leaving it was not a option to progress professionally. He only needs to look at the man that signed him for Wrexham to see that jumping ship without achieving a thing can kill your career. And that's what happened, his career was dead at this level and we're the only club without an ounce of self respect that will take him back.

Again we have another crazy comparison. Here's the managerial history of Danny Cowley:

Took Concord Rangers up 3 divisions and was loyal to them for 7 years

Took Braintree to 3rd in the league, their highest ever league finish and lost out in the playoffs, did not ditch them early despite interest from Lincoln, tried to finish the job

At Lincoln he won the title, got to the FA Cup Quarter Finals, won the EFL trophy at Wembley in Lincolns first ever appearance at Wembley, finished in the playoffs and then won them the league title to go into league 1

None of the clubs that Cowley managed payed for his degree, helped him study whilst also playing through the scheme the club put on, he didn't play any of the teams he managed for a long period of time, he didn't have first hand experience of the pain of being in the tinpot leagues they were in, the fans of his former clubs didn't hand over £100k because they believed in him so much, he always stook the season out with the clubs he managed, he always achieved things and then left. The club that gave him his first break in management he spent 7 years and 3 promotions at. Keates didn't even complete a full season here[/QUOTE]

More myths busted. :hurray:

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Interesting to see new pro-board posters joining up!

[QUOTE=fezbob;2305795]Interesting to see new pro-board posters joining up![/QUOTE]

Someone’s got to back Quay Red up. Poor bugger is all on his own.

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[QUOTE=Funny_Old_Game;2305800]Someone’s got to back Quay Red up. Poor bugger is all on his own.[/QUOTE]

To be fair, even QR is calling the board out on some decisions!

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[QUOTE=Ooh aah Paskin;2305803]To be fair, even QR is calling the board out on some decisions![/QUOTE]

Must have missed that. Called the DSA debacle a 'clash of personalities'. Not sure why.

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[QUOTE=Funny_Old_Game;2305800]Someone’s got to back Quay Red up. Poor bugger is all on his own.[/QUOTE]
Maybe that's a good thing. No one to sway me either way.
Just trying to put a balanced view of things.

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[QUOTE=Phils-an-alki;2305808]Must have missed that. Called the DSA debacle a 'clash of personalities'. Not sure why.[/QUOTE]

There is a history between some DSA members and the club. Mainly based on the lack of action regarding the disabled platform and dismissal of their original proposals. I took the WSA to task over this at the last AGM.
Having looked at the proposals and been informed of the DSA's alternative solutions, it is difficult to see a really beneficial way forward. Even the platform that is being constructed has access issues in that it does not comply with Building Regs for gradient etc. even though Wrexham cbc have apparently given it the green light. The DSA feel it's remote and are supported by level playing field organisation.

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[QUOTE=rayred;2305694]RP has become a snake pit and home to an unbalanced discourse IMO.
Why the deep and bitter loathing of Keates? Hadn’t he got us into a playoff position? That’s why Walsall came calling. Ditto with Ricketts and Shrewsbury. How are these examples of constantly running a defective manager selection process. OK, you can quote the opaque BH selection and other blips but let’s have some balance. And resorting to denigrating Dixie, just as another legend Arfon has been in the past on these pages, because they worked with the Board, is out of order in my book.

Re Keates, if anyone was offered a doubling/tripling of wage/salary, would they not take it. Turning down the opportunity to progress professionally and refusing the money would be irrational. The only thing which might make a difference would be family factors. Did the Cowleys turn down Lincoln, and then Huddersfield? Did any manager turn down such opportunities? Would we?
I haven’t got time to micromonitor what the Board does. And maybe I am missing something on the relationship between the Board and the Trust. However, I take the long view. What I know is that pre-2011, the Trust over a long period had the sense to raise and save half a million pounds in anticipation of a supporters’ take-over. Without the Trust’s foresight there would be no Club.

I know also that the Trust guided us through a hugely complex take-over and transition as a result of a collection of hugely competent individuals giving their time and range of expertise for free; and that since 2011, the club with the financial support of the Trust membership, has been put onto a viable and sustainable commercial footing. And this without the huge subsidies that the local Mr Bigs (some business men are genuine and caring of their clubs but there are many chancers) or the Class of 92. Those business men subsidies are simply not available to us. Look next door to Chester to see the counter scenario with both failed private and supporter ownership ownership.
As for on the pitch this season, look at what happens when a more attacking approach coincides with two (GK, CF) out of three key players (GK, CF, CB) being long term injured.

I am one of these who don’t like the abuse on here nor the foul-mouthed chanting from the terraces, at its worst when we had a thousand kids in for the Sutton game. Keep the vile one-liner abuse off-line.[/QUOTE]

Morning vicar.

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[QUOTE=Quay Red;2305811]There is a history between some DSA members and the club. Mainly based on the lack of action regarding the disabled platform and dismissal of their original proposals. I took the WSA to task over this at the last AGM.
Having looked at the proposals and been informed of the DSA's alternative solutions, it is difficult to see a really beneficial way forward. Even the platform that is being constructed has access issues in that it does not comply with Building Regs for gradient etc. even though Wrexham cbc have apparently given it the green light. The DSA feel it's remote and are supported by level playing field organisation.[/QUOTE]

If it doesn't comply with building regs how can the council give it the green light? I know the council are utterly hopeless but surely even they can't ignore that.
This latest episode exposes how vindictive the club board are and how much of a closed book the club is now. Speak out against them and you're out.

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[QUOTE=Phils-an-alki;2305808]Must have missed that. Called the DSA debacle a 'clash of personalities'. Not sure why.[/QUOTE]

He posted somewhere that he disagreed with the keates decision and that it was Lazy.

So he's not all bad... ;)

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[QUOTE=fezbob;2305795]Interesting to see new pro-board posters joining up![/QUOTE]

Would make an interesting investigation, how many new members there are and whether their posts follow the same themes

[QUOTE=rayred;2305694]RP has become a snake pit and home to an unbalanced discourse IMO.
Why the deep and bitter loathing of Keates? Hadn’t he got us into a playoff position? That’s why Walsall came calling. Ditto with Ricketts and Shrewsbury. How are these examples of constantly running a defective manager selection process. OK, you can quote the opaque BH selection and other blips but let’s have some balance. And resorting to denigrating Dixie, just as another legend Arfon has been in the past on these pages, because they worked with the Board, is out of order in my book.

Re Keates, if anyone was offered a doubling/tripling of wage/salary, would they not take it. Turning down the opportunity to progress professionally and refusing the money would be irrational. The only thing which might make a difference would be family factors. Did the Cowleys turn down Lincoln, and then Huddersfield? Did any manager turn down such opportunities? Would we?
I haven’t got time to micromonitor what the Board does. And maybe I am missing something on the relationship between the Board and the Trust. However, I take the long view. What I know is that pre-2011, the Trust over a long period had the sense to raise and save half a million pounds in anticipation of a supporters’ take-over. Without the Trust’s foresight there would be no Club.

I know also that the Trust guided us through a hugely complex take-over and transition as a result of a collection of hugely competent individuals giving their time and range of expertise for free; and that since 2011, the club with the financial support of the Trust membership, has been put onto a viable and sustainable commercial footing. And this without the huge subsidies that the local Mr Bigs (some business men are genuine and caring of their clubs but there are many chancers) or the Class of 92. Those business men subsidies are simply not available to us. Look next door to Chester to see the counter scenario with both failed private and supporter ownership ownership.
As for on the pitch this season, look at what happens when a more attacking approach coincides with two (GK, CF) out of three key players (GK, CF, CB) being long term injured.

I am one of these who don’t like the abuse on here nor the foul-mouthed chanting from the terraces, at its worst when we had a thousand kids in for the Sutton game. Keep the vile one-liner abuse off-line.[/QUOTE]



Thanks for that Dean or should it be John?
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[QUOTE=Ooh aah Paskin;2305814]He posted somewhere that he disagreed with the keates decision and that it was Lazy.

So he's not all bad... ;)[/QUOTE]

He isn't bad at all, we are all fans at the end of the day.
I actually agree with QR on a lot of football stuff. I just cannot get past how people can defend the indefensible though. It does more harm than good imo and helps to paper over cracks.

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Put the club up for sale before ruling out that nobody is interested!

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[QUOTE=rayred;2305694]RP has become a snake pit and home to an unbalanced discourse IMO.
Why the deep and bitter loathing of Keates? Hadn’t he got us into a playoff position? That’s why Walsall came calling. Ditto with Ricketts and Shrewsbury. How are these examples of constantly running a defective manager selection process. OK, you can quote the opaque BH selection and other blips but let’s have some balance. And resorting to denigrating Dixie, just as another legend Arfon has been in the past on these pages, because they worked with the Board, is out of order in my book.

[B]Re Keates, if anyone was offered a doubling/tripling of wage/salary, would they not take it. Turning down the opportunity to progress professionally and refusing the money would be irrational. The only thing which might make a difference would be family factors. Did the Cowleys turn down Lincoln, and then Huddersfield? Did any manager turn down such opportunities? Would we? [/B]
I haven’t got time to micromonitor what the Board does. And maybe I am missing something on the relationship between the Board and the Trust. However, I take the long view. What I know is that pre-2011, the Trust over a long period had the sense to raise and save half a million pounds in anticipation of a supporters’ take-over. Without the Trust’s foresight there would be no Club.

I know also that the Trust guided us through a hugely complex take-over and transition as a result of a collection of hugely competent individuals giving their time and range of expertise for free; and that since 2011, the club with the financial support of the Trust membership, has been put onto a viable and sustainable commercial footing. And this without the huge subsidies that the local Mr Bigs (some business men are genuine and caring of their clubs but there are many chancers) or the Class of 92. Those business men subsidies are simply not available to us. Look next door to Chester to see the counter scenario with both failed private and supporter ownership ownership.
As for on the pitch this season, look at what happens when a more attacking approach coincides with two (GK, CF) out of three key players (GK, CF, CB) being long term injured.

I am one of these who don’t like the abuse on here nor the foul-mouthed chanting from the terraces, at its worst when we had a thousand kids in for the Sutton game. Keep the vile one-liner abuse off-line.[/QUOTE]

I don't loathe him - never have - and will be backing him and the team tonight.

However, surely you agree that his timing in moving was awful - couldn't have been much worse really. I don't blame him for leaving and thinking about himself/his family but then having failed at Walsall we take him back. Don't you think that is the reason some supporters are upset by this appointment!

He has some fences to mend - hopefully starting with a win tonight.

Re: Keates Interview
 

[QUOTE=rayred;2305694]RP has become a snake pit and home to an unbalanced discourse IMO.
Why the deep and bitter loathing of Keates? Hadn’t he got us into a playoff position? That’s why Walsall came calling. Ditto with Ricketts and Shrewsbury. How are these examples of constantly running a defective manager selection process. OK, you can quote the opaque BH selection and other blips but let’s have some balance. And resorting to denigrating Dixie, just as another legend Arfon has been in the past on these pages, because they worked with the Board, is out of order in my book.

Re Keates, if anyone was offered a doubling/tripling of wage/salary, would they not take it. Turning down the opportunity to progress professionally and refusing the money would be irrational. The only thing which might make a difference would be family factors. Did the Cowleys turn down Lincoln, and then Huddersfield? Did any manager turn down such opportunities? Would we?
I haven’t got time to micromonitor what the Board does. And maybe I am missing something on the relationship between the Board and the Trust. However, I take the long view. What I know is that pre-2011, the Trust over a long period had the sense to raise and save half a million pounds in anticipation of a supporters’ take-over. Without the Trust’s foresight there would be no Club.

I know also that the Trust guided us through a hugely complex take-over and transition as a result of a collection of hugely competent individuals giving their time and range of expertise for free; and that since 2011, the club with the financial support of the Trust membership, has been put onto a viable and sustainable commercial footing. And this without the huge subsidies that the local Mr Bigs (some business men are genuine and caring of their clubs but there are many chancers) or the Class of 92. Those business men subsidies are simply not available to us. Look next door to Chester to see the counter scenario with both failed private and supporter ownership ownership.
As for on the pitch this season, look at what happens when a more attacking approach coincides with two (GK, CF) out of three key players (GK, CF, CB) being long term injured.

I am one of these who don’t like the abuse on here nor the foul-mouthed chanting from the terraces, at its worst when we had a thousand kids in for the Sutton game. Keep the vile one-liner abuse off-line.[/QUOTE]

Keates is worse than Ricketts. Keates had been at Wxm a number of years and knew what the club and fans had been through. He jumped ship with 8 games to go!! Ricketts had no affiliation to Wxm ( although he’s still a snake!).