Christmas Raffle
 

Any one know if the Trust Board will be running a Christmas Raffle this year? If so what would the funds be going towards? Or is it now deemed to be not needed.

I hadn't read of any plans pre the vote

thoughts?

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[QUOTE=Inside Left;2410052]Any one know if the Trust Board will be running a Christmas Raffle this year? If so what would the funds be going towards? Or is it now deemed to be not needed.

I hadn't read of any plans pre the vote

thoughts?[/QUOTE]

Run it and donate proceeds to DSA.

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[QUOTE=Inside Left;2410052]Any one know if the Trust Board will be running a Christmas Raffle this year? If so what would the funds be going towards? Or is it now deemed to be not needed.

I hadn't read of any plans pre the vote

thoughts?[/QUOTE]

what involvement is the trust going to have once this take over happens ? if any

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[QUOTE=redavid;2410061]what involvement is the trust going to have once this take over happens ? if any[/QUOTE]

I was wondering what will happen to the cash in the bank post takeover ? I for one never want to see WST trying to run our club again and if the residual funds are being kept to possibly buy the club back one day it's a very big no from me .

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[QUOTE=wafc1926;2410056]Run it and donate proceeds to DSA.[/QUOTE]

What a good idea. Perhaps the WST board are planning something like that.

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[QUOTE=wafc1926;2410056]Run it and donate proceeds to DSA.[/QUOTE]

Given the board persist in freezing out the DSA it seems, I doubt it is likely.

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Given to the extent it has been underfunded and hindered sponsorship wise,having all proceeds go the COE would be a very good idea More parents than ever will be struggling to pay subs. due to Covid and this money could be used to subsidise such cases.A properly funded COE could play a key role in the club's future.

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At this point it would be better going to Kerry, the DLO than us as we have nothing to spend it on!

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[QUOTE=Rob Edwards;2410105]Given to the extent it has been underfunded and hindered sponsorship wise,having all proceeds go the COE would be a very good idea More parents than ever will be struggling to pay subs. due to Covid and this money could be used to subsidise such cases.A properly funded COE could play a key role in the club's future.[/QUOTE]

I'd back this. I've heard a few stories of good young lads playing in the youth sides whose parents are not affluent and financially struggle to meet requirements. It would be nice to think we could support families and give youth players from all walks a helping hand.

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[QUOTE=Dai83;2410115]I'd back this. I've heard a few stories of good young lads playing in the youth sides whose parents are not affluent and financially struggle to meet requirements. It would be nice to think we could support families and give youth players from all walks a helping hand.[/QUOTE]

This would fit in with R&R's ethos of benefiting and including the community, as would the DSA usage

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[QUOTE=basdragon;2410128]This would fit in with R&R's ethos of benefiting and including the community, as would the DSA usage[/QUOTE]

They can't fund everything. Honestly, a few of you need to get realistic, you're running away with the fairies.

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[QUOTE=Dai83;2410134]They can't fund everything. Honestly, a few of you need to get realistic, you're running away with the fairies.[/QUOTE]

This "community club" thing has always worried me and maybe thats one of the reasons we always appear to be side tracked to other issues than the club and team. We all need to remember WAFC is 1st , 2nd and 3rd a football club all other issues are fine but must not deviate us away from why we exist .

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[QUOTE=Corner Flag;2410165]This "community club" thing has always worried me and maybe thats one of the reasons we always appear to be side tracked to other issues than the club and team. We all need to remember WAFC is 1st , 2nd and 3rd a football club all other issues are fine but must not deviate us away from [B]why we exist [/B].[/QUOTE]

Raises an interesting question, what exactly is 'we'. Football clubs were originally people banding together to play and watch football and they were all members clubs. At the higher levels many became Limited Companies and moved away from the original ethos and purpose. Community and place originally mattered but got lost as more money came into the game.

So are we now just customers of a business ? Bit like going to a theatre or a pub ?

Why form the strong emotional attachment supporters have to a Limited Company or LLP ?

Club is now surely a misnomer for most modern day football clubs ?

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[QUOTE=KM Red;2410185]Raises an interesting question, what exactly is 'we'. Football clubs were originally people banding together to play and watch football and they were all members clubs. At the higher levels many became Limited Companies and moved away from the original ethos and purpose. Community and place originally mattered but got lost as more money came into the game.

So are we now just customers of a business ? Bit like going to a theatre or a pub ?

Why form the strong emotional attachment supporters have to a Limited Company or LLP ?

Club is now surely a misnomer for most modern day football clubs ?[/QUOTE]

Yes we are just customers... Get over it.

I can't wait. Sick of all the politics and infighting.

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Will the profits be going to the club or WST?

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Slightly going off tangent here...... I pay my WST membership by direct debit. When do you stop your membership?
Going by some on here who have had issues with payments, membership, e-mails etc is it prudent to wait until the takeover is signed and sealed?

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[QUOTE=KM Red;2410185]Raises an interesting question, what exactly is 'we'. Football clubs were originally people banding together to play and watch football and they were all members clubs. At the higher levels many became Limited Companies and moved away from the original ethos and purpose. Community and place originally mattered but got lost as more money came into the game.

So are we now just customers of a business ? Bit like going to a theatre or a pub ?

Why form the strong emotional attachment supporters have to a Limited Company or LLP ?

Club is now surely a misnomer for most modern day football clubs ?[/QUOTE]

Thankfully, looking at things like the £6000 donation Rob made to a Wrexham fan in need, it looks like we’re getting back towards thinking community matters.

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[QUOTE=Teifi Red;2410204]Slightly going off tangent here...... I pay my WST membership by direct debit. When do you stop your membership?
Going by some on here who have had issues with payments, membership, e-mails etc is it prudent to wait until the takeover is signed and sealed?[/QUOTE]

I've dropped my standing order down to a minimum now. I want to remain a member for time being just so I don't miss any updates etc. Going forward when the WST produces a set of revised objectives or purpose I will then decide if I am behind them or not.

Suspect that membership could fall to 500 or so if it continues unless there are major changes.

My suggestion is to remain a member for now just so you retain access to information and a voting option just in case of some kind of collosal f up in the FA ratification process

[QUOTE=KM Red;2410185]Raises an interesting question, what exactly is 'we'. Football clubs were originally people banding together to play and watch football and they were all members clubs. At the higher levels many became Limited Companies and moved away from the original ethos and purpose. Community and place originally mattered but got lost as more money came into the game.

So are we now just customers of a business ? Bit like going to a theatre or a pub ?

Why form the strong emotional attachment supporters have to a Limited Company or LLP ?

Club is now surely a misnomer for most modern day football clubs ?[/QUOTE]

Get a new hobby for gods sake mate. Most people have never felt more detached from this club than they have in thenlast few years. Bring on never having to vote on amy bollocks ever again and enjoying my football team
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[QUOTE=Hightown Brymbo Red;2410199]Will the profits be going to the club or WST?[/QUOTE]

This is a somewhat alarming question which demonstrates a real lack of understanding amongst fans of how the club has been structured and what the transfer of ownership means... Its not a dig at you even though I'm aware that's how my opening sentence sounds.

The obvious answer is that money goes into the club. People understand that once transfer of ownership fully completes, the WST will have no input other than potentially a seat on the board to represent the Memberships views? No power or influence as such.

Any money the WST wishes to accumulate going forward will be done off their own back, and how they allocate that money will be up to them.

I think this is interesting in terms of WST assets retaining the lease. So if you think about it, the WST does not represent the voice of all fans. It represents about an 8th of the usual 4000 attending supporters. That's based on a guess that close to 500 wst members generally supported its goals... About 400 members were willing to oppose and the rest of the membership joined for cheap season tickets rather than to vote or influence the direction of the club. If the WST decides they are unhappy with what RR are doing at any point, while I'm sure there would be legal costs to absorb could essentially terminate the WAFC lease I think. Meaning no access to the ground essentially cutting them off at the knees because they have agreed as part of the sale to play within a fixed difference of the racecourse/wrexham. That power could be a good thing in case of misadventure, leaving them with a worthless asset or could be bad depending on who takes over the running of the day to day leadership of the WST.

I'm sure someone could tell me legally why all I just said is bullshit and wouldn't hold up legally. But a WST potentially run by some it's former extremely pro trust antagonist worries me if totally honest. Out of all of them, Spencer has really shown his willingness to best represent all of the fanbase. This sale might not have gone through with different members and agendas at the top table.

Tl;dr

Money goes to club
WST powerless post transfer of ownership... Or are they?

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Plus the WST will be making £15k a year profit on the lease.

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[QUOTE=-luke;2410216]

The obvious answer is that money goes into the club. [/QUOTE]

Why is it obvious? For me, if the WST run a raffle, the logical thing would be that they get the money? Am I missing something?

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[QUOTE=Jaded;2410234]Why is it obvious? For me, if the WST run a raffle, the logical thing would be that they get the money? Am I missing something?[/QUOTE]

Shit...

Posted this thinking it was on a thread about general profits...im a tool. Sorry.

Yeah profits from raffle presumably go to WST if they run the raffle can't see why they wouldn't

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The profits from any Raffle must go to charity. I am going to have hard time selling tickets this year for a club that just got two sugar daddies with a net worth of > $100 million.

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Next year's raffle will have prizes like a Tesla, beachside mansion and 2 weeks stay in Paddy's Pub. Bring it on.

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[QUOTE=moynkeepthefaith;2410284]The profits from any Raffle must go to charity. I am going to have hard time selling tickets this year for a club that just got two sugar daddies with a net worth of > $100 million.[/QUOTE]

That's an interesting point. And will deter some, assuming WST do the raffle though I guess people should be able to separate the entities.

Also not much time to organise now anyway... Aren't tickets normally out by now?

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The raffle is usually discussed October ish in the minutes but there seems to have been no discussion this year.

If there is no raffle this year perhaps the WST board could communicate with the membership. The least one can have is a yes or no. and maybe the thinking behind any decision.