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kopitered 16th September 2017 21.23:30

Re: Keates isn't the man to take us forward.
 
I think Keats is doing a decent job to be fair.but this great football club.will never progress.without a big money backer.

GiggityGiggityGiggityGoo 16th September 2017 21.26:15

Re: Keates isn't the man to take us forward.
 
[QUOTE=WrexSi;2071675]True. Is it me or do we not actually hear much about our youth set up these days anyway? It's almost like CQNomads have a better set up than us these days.
We still aren't bringing many through to our 1st team ourselves are we.
And yep, too much cronyism was going on with Mills at that point. He seemed to have our board in the palm of his non-drinking hand.[/QUOTE]

We used to have a vast number of lads playing for the Welsh youth teams far more than most clubs, what's concerning is WPL academy lads are on the fringes or getting into those squads, particularly at the younger ages when wales has a north and South team. Gap Connahs Quay had a lad in the North Wales team who put 5 past a Man Utd team they played, he impressed so much they took him on. Okay, we may not have kept hold of him if he was playing for us, but what concerns me is were frequently missing out on many of the finest talents in North Wales to WPL clubs.

EnglishRed 16th September 2017 21.31:29

Re: Keates isn't the man to take us forward.
 
Hugely premature to make these sort of decisions in my opinion.

Most managers, at any level, when they have a new team try and instill a defensive solidity first and foremost. Once this is established they move onto sorting out the attack. Ultimately the football might not be the most entertaining but we are two points off the top with an excellent defensive record. As a work in progress (part of a 2/3 year plan) after the first quarter of the season surely we have to be happy with that?

As for today, with our well documented attacking issues, and the organisation (not to mention niggly timewasting tactics) Paul Cox is instilling at Guiseley the game was always going to turn out as it did. I'm not defending the line up but as fans we aren't privy to all the discussions and decisions that are made over the weekend before a game based on training scouting and other factors. It's easy to day this player or that player should have played or we should be using X formation but thats always a very simplistic view of things without taking into account all factors.

Frustration is one thing but it's just not the time for kneejerk reactions

Alan Attack 16th September 2017 21.37:56

Re: Keates isn't the man to take us forward.
 
I often think we deserve to be where we are when we have threads calling for the manager's head when we're 2 points off the top spot and unbeaten in 6 games.

Thankfully, the majority have dismissed this thread but if you listen to Keates, he says it's not good enough so it's all eyes on him to improve it.

It's no surprising that we're a defensively savy team when our best players are our centre backs and central midfielder.

standingroomonly2 16th September 2017 21.48:19

[QUOTE=Alan Attack;2071679]I often think we deserve to be where we are when we have threads calling for the manager's head when we're 2 points off the top spot and unbeaten in 6 games.

Thankfully, the majority have dismissed this thread but if you listen to Keates, he says it's not good enough so it's all eyes on him to improve it.

It's no surprising that we're a defensively savy team when our best players are our centre backs and central midfielder.[/QUOTE]

Not sure how wedgebury is being included as one of our better players. He is a big part of the problem. Slow, passing is generally poor or slow in seeing the opportunity to bring others into play. Often panics and hoists the ball high. He's yet to convince me that he's a good signing
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NottsRed 16th September 2017 21.54:24

Re: Keates isn't the man to take us forward.
 
[QUOTE=Alan Attack;2071679]I often think we deserve to be where we are when we have threads calling for the manager's head when we're 2 points off the top spot and unbeaten in 6 games.

[B]Thankfully, the majority have dismissed this thread but if you listen to Keates, he says it's not good enough so it's all eyes on him to improve it.[/B]

It's no surprising that we're a defensively savy team when our best players are our centre backs and central midfielder.[/QUOTE]

Yet he keeps playing the same tactics that aren't working. He freely admits these tactics wont work without a target man yet persists.

We played our best football of the season when Carrington is suspended and Wright is in the midfield. Today Wright is on the bench and Carrington back in the midfield and look what happens.

Yes we are two points off of the top and unbeaten in six but in all reality the negative football is costing us points and now fans. I can't help but think with a more experienced manager with a plan B when its not working we would easily be on 24 - 26 points at the moment.

Huffy 16th September 2017 21.58:15

Re: Keates isn't the man to take us forward.
 
[QUOTE=NottsRed;2071681]Yet he keeps playing the same tactics that aren't working. He freely admits these tactics wont work without a target man yet persists.

We played our best football of the season when Carrington is suspended and Wright is in the midfield. Today Wright is on the bench and Carrington back in the midfield and look what happens.

Yes we are two points off of the top and unbeaten in six but in all reality the negative football is costing us points and now fans. I can't help but think with a more experienced manager with a plan B when its not working we would easily be on 24 - 26 points at the moment.[/QUOTE]
Or near the bottom . Glass half full man me

WrexSi 16th September 2017 22.00:36

Re: Keates isn't the man to take us forward.
 
[QUOTE=GiggityGiggityGiggityGoo;2071677]We used to have a vast number of lads playing for the Welsh youth teams far more than most clubs, what's concerning is WPL academy lads are on the fringes or getting into those squads, particularly at the younger ages when wales has a north and South team. Gap Connahs Quay had a lad in the North Wales team who put 5 past a Man Utd team they played, he impressed so much they took him on. Okay, we may not have kept hold of him if he was playing for us, but what concerns me is were frequently missing out on many of the finest talents in North Wales to WPL clubs.[/QUOTE]

That's right. I think they have had as many as twenty kids on the last few years taken on at EFL/EPL clubs....we are indeed missing out on them. Not good.

steve 16th September 2017 22.10:22

Re: Keates isn't the man to take us forward.
 
[QUOTE=standingroomonly2;2071680]Not sure how wedgebury is being included as one of our better players. He is a big part of the problem. Slow, passing is generally poor or slow in seeing the opportunity to bring others into play. Often panics and hoists the ball high. He's yet to convince me that he's a good signing
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What I have seen of him so far would have to agree, Wright seems by far our best midfielder and find it a bit worrying that he only got in the team due to Carrington being out and was dropped today. Keates has done a good job with the defence and we have a good foundation to build on but it is a concern that supporters can see things like the Wright situation and Kelly not being used in his best position of central midfield or just off the forwards and Keates can't.

Rob Edwards 16th September 2017 22.23:21

Re: Keates isn't the man to take us forward.
 
[QUOTE=GiggityGiggityGiggityGoo;2071677]We used to have a vast number of lads playing for the Welsh youth teams far more than most clubs, what's concerning is WPL academy lads are on the fringes or getting into those squads, particularly at the younger ages when wales has a north and South team. Gap Connahs Quay had a lad in the North Wales team who put 5 past a Man Utd team they played, he impressed so much they took him on. Okay, we may not have kept hold of him if he was playing for us, but what concerns me is were frequently missing out on many of the finest talents in North Wales to WPL clubs.[/QUOTE]

At least in the latest Welsh U17 squad named for matches this week we have Matty Sargent & Steffan Bulkeley with 5 from Everton and a few from Swansea & Cardiff.


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