Liam Roberts ban - RedPassion.co.uk

t1954 · 26th October 2023, 22.26:53

I have been watching Liam's videos on Youtube for sometime now re match highlights from behind the goal. I am one of about 20k subscribers to his channel, he tonight says he has been banned by the EFL from videoing brief highlights of the games, also in the car park and by the Mold Road Stand.

He has been told in an official letter that if he continues action will be taken against him and my result in a banning order. This is so petty. This is a young lad, I believe he is 17, who is giving fans unable to get to the game a chance to feel the atmosphere in the ground and the sense of excitement when the team scores. I find this a great shame and other fans who follow Liam from all over the World will feel the same.

His video are no more than 10 minutes or so long and are hardly imposing on any copy right. He is not blaming the club this seems to come from the EFL which I find is ridiculous. Just how many fans all over the country put up blogs of them being at games etc, now this is illegal. We fans who cannot get to games are left with what the official channel can give us. Very sad and unnecessary.

So in future if you video yourself at a game or around the ground you seem to be in breach of the rules and could face a ban and fine. Crazy. I wish Liam all the best as I am sure everyone will, who follows him. Let us hope there is a change of mind for this is a serious own goal.

Thank you Liam for all your video in the past

hr100 · 26th October 2023, 23.10:15

I had a look at his videos and I did think there was quite a bit of footage without any real analysis about it. He could still make videos if he recorded himself more and the football less but he doesnt want to do that which is fair enough

Even the clubs themselves have a lot of rules they have to follow due to efl commercial agreements

Red 1982 · 26th October 2023, 23.21:38

Pretty petty from EFL/Wrexham FC.

He is hardly threatening the business of Wrexham by filming at the ground. The EFL highlights are available for free, but the EFL get money from adverts on youtube, a young lad filming on his phone is hardly a threat to that.

I think everyone should get their phones out and start filming as the club can't ban everyone.

EFL, Premier League just taking it too far IMHO.

Jambon · 26th October 2023, 23.55:38

A shame, but I'm surprised he was able to upload highlights like that for as long as he did. Others I know were warned about copyright by YouTube after only one or two videos of goals from the crowd.

duggum · 27th October 2023, 02.43:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by hr100

He could still make videos if he recorded himself more and the football less but he doesnt want to do that which is fair enough

The letter he received says that only the Wrexham AFC Media Team are "...permitted to film anything within the ground footprint..." (emphasis mine).

His follow-up communication with the club confirmed, at least as he puts it, that "anything" means filming of any kind.

Pretty crappy if you ask me. I'm in Canada and Liam's vlogs were one of my regular stops after a match, especially if I wasn't able to catch the match live.

redone · 27th October 2023, 05.51:54

dont no why hes been singled out,theres loads doing it, ok hes got a few more subs than most,petty from the club

Virtual-Dragon · 27th October 2023, 06.10:05

Hopefully the club will have a rethink on the very informal way they have handled this and can look at ways they can help Liam to continue making his YouTube channel videos engaging. The only difficulty (other than time and resource) may be the club wanting to remain/appear impartial.

Liam started his vlogs way before the takeover and the number of views then increased significantly once the news of R&R potentially buying the club started to circulate and they have continued to grow since.

Liam's matchday videos give people the chance to experience the feeling of being not just at the ground, but right in the stands. Before the VNL streaming was strong-armed through I remember seeing lots of comments on his videos from internationals on how amazing it looked being at a game. I would not be surprised if his videos are responsible for quite a few international fans either deciding to support the club or even making the decision to make the pilgrimage over to watch a game.

I only catch the odd video of his nowadays, but when the only option for exiles was listening to games on the radio, watching Liam's videos the following day were a great supplement.

Maybe he could do videos of fans thoughts/reactions walking out of the ground and then in some of the local drinking/eating establishments? For his demographic, I don't think you couldn't ask for a better person to be representing both the club and the town.

All the best to Liam for his future endeavors.

Back of the Kop · 27th October 2023, 06.45:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by redone

dont no why hes been singled out,theres loads doing it, ok hes got a few more subs than most,petty from the club

Read the quote from Liam. This is coming directly from the EFL and not Wrexham AFC

Back of the Kop · 27th October 2023, 06.57:36

Very unfair to single him out. Should be a blanket ban or action at all.

26th October 2023, 22.26:53	#1-0 (permalink)
t1954 Due a Testimonial (info 1 & 2) Joined: Apr 2011 Racecourse Spot: mrs Real Name: tc Twitter: @	Liam Roberts ban I have been watching Liam's videos on Youtube for sometime now re match highlights from behind the goal. I am one of about 20k subscribers to his channel, he tonight says he has been banned by the EFL from videoing brief highlights of the games, also in the car park and by the Mold Road Stand. He has been told in an official letter that if he continues action will be taken against him and my result in a banning order. This is so petty. This is a young lad, I believe he is 17, who is giving fans unable to get to the game a chance to feel the atmosphere in the ground and the sense of excitement when the team scores. I find this a great shame and other fans who follow Liam from all over the World will feel the same. His video are no more than 10 minutes or so long and are hardly imposing on any copy right. He is not blaming the club this seems to come from the EFL which I find is ridiculous. Just how many fans all over the country put up blogs of them being at games etc, now this is illegal. We fans who cannot get to games are left with what the official channel can give us. Very sad and unnecessary. So in future if you video yourself at a game or around the ground you seem to be in breach of the rules and could face a ban and fine. Crazy. I wish Liam all the best as I am sure everyone will, who follows him. Let us hope there is a change of mind for this is a serious own goal. Thank you Liam for all your video in the past

26th October 2023, 23.10:15	#2-0 (permalink)
hr100 Squad Player Joined: Feb 2009 Racecourse Spot: Real Name: Twitter: @	Re: Liam Roberts ban I had a look at his videos and I did think there was quite a bit of footage without any real analysis about it. He could still make videos if he recorded himself more and the football less but he doesnt want to do that which is fair enough Even the clubs themselves have a lot of rules they have to follow due to efl commercial agreements

26th October 2023, 23.21:38	#3-0 (permalink)
Red 1982 Squad Player Joined: Jan 2012 Racecourse Spot: ERS Real Name: Twitter: @	Re: Liam Roberts ban Pretty petty from EFL/Wrexham FC. He is hardly threatening the business of Wrexham by filming at the ground. The EFL highlights are available for free, but the EFL get money from adverts on youtube, a young lad filming on his phone is hardly a threat to that. I think everyone should get their phones out and start filming as the club can't ban everyone. EFL, Premier League just taking it too far IMHO.

26th October 2023, 23.55:38	#4-0 (permalink)
Jambon Squad Player Joined: Oct 2012 Racecourse Spot: none given Real Name: none given Twitter: @	Re: Liam Roberts ban A shame, but I'm surprised he was able to upload highlights like that for as long as he did. Others I know were warned about copyright by YouTube after only one or two videos of goals from the crowd.

27th October 2023, 05.51:54	#6-0 (permalink)
redone Legend Joined: Feb 2016 Racecourse Spot: none given Real Name: none given Twitter: @	Re: Liam Roberts ban dont no why hes been singled out,theres loads doing it, ok hes got a few more subs than most,petty from the club

27th October 2023, 06.10:05	#7-0 (permalink)
Virtual-Dragon Cult Hero Joined: Oct 2022 Racecourse Spot: none given Real Name: none given Twitter: @	Re: Liam Roberts ban Hopefully the club will have a rethink on the very informal way they have handled this and can look at ways they can help Liam to continue making his YouTube channel videos engaging. The only difficulty (other than time and resource) may be the club wanting to remain/appear impartial. Liam started his vlogs way before the takeover and the number of views then increased significantly once the news of R&R potentially buying the club started to circulate and they have continued to grow since. Liam's matchday videos give people the chance to experience the feeling of being not just at the ground, but right in the stands. Before the VNL streaming was strong-armed through I remember seeing lots of comments on his videos from internationals on how amazing it looked being at a game. I would not be surprised if his videos are responsible for quite a few international fans either deciding to support the club or even making the decision to make the pilgrimage over to watch a game. I only catch the odd video of his nowadays, but when the only option for exiles was listening to games on the radio, watching Liam's videos the following day were a great supplement. Maybe he could do videos of fans thoughts/reactions walking out of the ground and then in some of the local drinking/eating establishments? For his demographic, I don't think you couldn't ask for a better person to be representing both the club and the town. All the best to Liam for his future endeavors.

27th October 2023, 06.57:36	#9-0 (permalink)
Back of the Kop retired & running a pub Joined: Jul 2012 Racecourse Spot: none given Real Name: none given Twitter: @	Re: Liam Roberts ban Very unfair to single him out. Should be a blanket ban or action at all.