Ratings V Colchester

[rob_the_red]

Originally Posted by Legspinner

A comment from Rob The Red stating Daulby was poor after the sending off was a little bizarre, Mullin dropped into midfield and no one was within 20 yards of him at any time, trying to close down3/4 defenders was probably his remit until half time.The intelligent runs , close control and prowess in the air is far superior to Palmer whose first 3 touches were abysmal and giving away possession.Palmer is not as some people think good in the air unless he manages to find space for a free header, smaller defenders manhandle him out of the way.
He has had a decent couple of years here, but his fitness levels are not what they were, he cannot start 2 games sat/tues as Harrogate showed so he should be used sparingly.
Apart from the obvious 4/5 Daulby is someone with the attributes to play higher up the pyramid, I also think Max and Jordan are players who could thrive at a higher level, it’s a pity there are players performing in front of them at the moment.

I didn't say he was poor - I said he was anonymous , which he was , he did nothing , didn't pressure any of the back line , didn't try to pick up anyone in their MF , he just stood in the middle of the pitch and did nothing - that's not his fault, being on his own up top just isn't his game - certainly not when we're a man down - he'd played well up until that point , but literally didn't nothing of any consequence from the point of the sending off onwards .... it was the right substitution to make and probably the right time to make it , when Parky had the chance to get them set up properly at 1/2 time .


No idea why some people are so defensive of Dalby , he's a decent player who has some areas he needs to improve in, he won't be the centre forward to take us up the leagues - unless he improves on the areas he needs to work on - that's not saying he's a poor player, or that he was poor on Saturday ( he wasn't ) , it's just being realistic.


He certainly wasn't a 7 out of 10 , relative to the other players on the pitch , but that was just down to the way the game went , he may well have been 7+ if we'd have kept 11 on the pitch and kept playing as we were .

[Reds1977]

Originally Posted by Legspinner

A comment from Rob The Red stating Daulby was poor after the sending off was a little bizarre, Mullin dropped into midfield and no one was within 20 yards of him at any time, trying to close down3/4 defenders was probably his remit until half time.The intelligent runs , close control and prowess in the air is far superior to Palmer whose first 3 touches were abysmal and giving away possession.Palmer is not as some people think good in the air unless he manages to find space for a free header, smaller defenders manhandle him out of the way.
He has had a decent couple of years here, but his fitness levels are not what they were, he cannot start 2 games sat/tues as Harrogate showed so he should be used sparingly.
Apart from the obvious 4/5 Daulby is someone with the attributes to play higher up the pyramid, I also think Max and Jordan are players who could thrive at a higher level, it’s a pity there are players performing in front of them at the moment.

So you think Davies, Max and Dalby can't get into the Wrexham team because by your own argument they aren't good enough -but they would easily slot in for a championship/prem team? make it make sense!
Max, Davies and Dalby have all had opportunities this season and last to get themselves a starting place and have all failed that's why they are not in the team.

Palmer is a better player than Dalby by a mile, he wins most aerial battles and is the battering ram that allows Mullin and Lee the space to play. His hold up play is far superior to anyone else in the team.

[Legspinner]

Thanks for a very measured and sensible reply, nice to see not everyone feels it necessary to take offense when others don’t agree with everything they say.
I would definitely have brought Jones on at half time, but would have gone to a back four with 2 up front, but Parky made a good choice on the day.
I do think it was harsh to expect Daulby to chase shadows when what was required was trying to sensibly try and split the 3 defenders , not an easy job and he is not built for that .

[Prodigal Dragon]

Originally Posted by Reds1977

So you think Davies, Max and Dalby can't get into the Wrexham team because by your own argument they aren't good enough -but they would easily slot in for a championship/prem team? make it make sense!
Max, Davies and Dalby have all had opportunities this season and last to get themselves a starting place and have all failed that's why they are not in the team.

Palmer is a better player than Dalby by a mile, he wins most aerial battles and is the battering ram that allows Mullin and Lee the space to play. His hold up play is far superior to anyone else in the team.

Originally Posted by Legspinner

Thanks for a very measured and sensible reply, nice to see not everyone feels it necessary to take offense when others don’t agree with everything they say.
I would definitely have brought Jones on at half time, but would have gone to a back four with 2 up front, but Parky made a good choice on the day.
I do think it was harsh to expect Daulby to chase shadows when what was required was trying to sensibly try and split the 3 defenders , not an easy job and he is not built for that .

IMHO, neither Palmer nor Dalby are good enough to start, albeit Dalby is a threat off the bench. I share Legspinner’s views on Palmer.

[Wrexy]

Originally Posted by Prodigal Dragon

IMHO, neither Palmer nor Dalby are good enough to start, albeit Dalby is a threat off the bench. I share Legspinner’s views on Palmer.

9 is the position in the team that most clearly needs an upgrade and I'm convinced we will do so in January

[Back of the Kop]

Originally Posted by Prodigal Dragon

IMHO, neither Palmer nor Dalby are good enough to start, albeit Dalby is a threat off the bench. I share Legspinner’s views on Palmer.

We've not spent serious money on our strike force since Palmer 2 years ago.

It's time to invest or go backwards. Mullin can't keep doing it on his own

[rob_the_red]

Originally Posted by Legspinner

Thanks for a very measured and sensible reply, nice to see not everyone feels it necessary to take offense when others don’t agree with everything they say.
I would definitely have brought Jones on at half time, but would have gone to a back four with 2 up front, but Parky made a good choice on the day.
I do think it was harsh to expect Daulby to chase shadows when what was required was trying to sensibly try and split the 3 defenders , not an easy job and he is not built for that .

I think given his attributes and limitations as a player that was all he could do . The problem was , that gave their back line all day to pick the passes they wanted to .

Contrast that with Mullin when he was up top by himself in the second half and he chased everything - he was never going to get to most of the balls, but that's not the point , he put enough pressure on running at them to give them less time on the ball and force them to make poorer passes, which we often won back and as a result , with his effort and James Jones doing the running for 2 men in Midfield ended up with us looking like we still had 11 men on the pitch .


.... as I say , being down to 10 men with Dalby on his own just didn't lend itself to Dalby being effective. it was a tough call for Parky when to make the change ... as with many things , he got that right ( if you'd have turned up at half time and not counted the players, you wouldn't have known we were 1 man down on the balance of play)

[Legspinner]

Cleworth has played well in the games he has started, Davies not had enough game time to stamp his authority on games, at Crewe he was a class apart and did a good enough job in the other games; the skill factor is more apparent the higher up you go, some players are not built to run for 90 mins but have lots of other qualities, also his best position is in a midfield of 4 where he would have more license to use his passing and shooting qualities.
I honestly think Max will go for a substantial amount in time if he continues his progress.

[Prodigal Dragon]

Originally Posted by Legspinner

Cleworth has played well in the games he has started, Davies not had enough game time to stamp his authority on games, at Crewe he was a class apart and did a good enough job in the other games; the skill factor is more apparent the higher up you go, some players are not built to run for 90 mins but have lots of other qualities, also his best position is in a midfield of 4 where he would have more license to use his passing and shooting qualities.
I honestly think Max will go for a substantial amount in time if he continues his progress.

Agree. I cannot fathom out why PP has recently not used Cleworth more.