Youth development

[Bagger Vance]

Originally Posted by podders

So will it now be more beneficial to the club to try and get youth players good enough to make the actual squad and then be on some kind oc contract?

Also i note that there will be a swith to a player/student model. Can anyone explain what this means for me?

Bagger - if Wrexham had an academy under the FAW scheme would we have more protection under the FIFA laws?

That's an interesting question - the FAW do have structured football (i.e. they play in a sanctioned national body scheme so so under the definitions clauses 5 and 6 would likely have more protection in clearance terms


5.
Official matches: matches played within the framework of organised football,
such as national league championships, national cups and international
championships for clubs, but not including friendly and trial matches.
6.
Organised football: association football organised under the auspices of FIFA,
the confederations and the associations, or authorised by them.

As Wrexham CoE currently only play friendlies their position is weakened by clause 5.

But and this is where i think there could be a challenge

12.
Academy: an organisation or an independent legal entity whose primary,
long-term objective is to provide players with long-term training through
the provision of the necessary training facilities and infrastructure. This shall
primarily include, but not be limited to, football training centres, football
camps, football schools, etc.



I think clause 12 of definitions throws Wrexham back into the mix, albeit it then clashes with clause 5.

The basis of compensation is covered in annex 6 if anyone wants to read it.

https://resources.fifa.com/image/upl...hmkp62h5vgwg9g

The current weakness in protection is clause 5 and 6 and the argument that the players aren't covered anyway because they are only de facto playing friendly matches, I've used this for English players coming back from Wrexham to avoid clearance successfully with the player status department in England. The argument being they never needed clearance to go over the border to play friendlies in the 1st place. Welsh academy status given they have a league at U12, U14 and U16 would offer more protection.

What is clear is if clause 5 and 6 are removed from the equation as a minimum players of welsh origin would need compensation to go over the border, and they couldn't go until they were 16.

So if I was the club I would do 2 things

1. Get a lawyer to review the above and give legal opinion on clauses 5 and 6
2. Concentrate on welsh players as these seem the best route to protect and gain fees given they will need clearance and as such fall into compensation if
the club qualifies under clause 12 which in my amateur opinion they do (subject to not falling foul under 5 and 6)

Bear in mind as well that FIFA trumps all, they are the ultimate arbitrator and no association can rule against them.

I will caveat everything above that I am no lawyer - this is my non legal interpretation although I have won a case against a county FA with the argument, albeit in reverse and probably not helpful to Wrexham as it did find clause 5 and 6 to be to their detriment. However that was specifically an english player coming back, I think if Wrexham concentrate now on developing welsh players they would be far better protected.

[GiggityGiggityGiggityGoo]

Originally Posted by 1984

I feel for the lads and their families - pinning hope on empty promises of being taken on by wxm
In reality many are simply canon fodder and will be released - no progression with no reserves either
Fair play to the kids who are desperate for a chance of stardom but i think the club should be honest with them and say they are skint and chances of progressing are painfully slim
Out of the teams we played last year ( many of whom are tinpot ) how many started 16-19 yr olds against us , very few id guess , especially in key areas like striker or centre half
This is a mans league and we simply to not have the time or money to let the Youths develop into young professionals - very sad
Id advise them - play welsh prem if possible and go to college - if your good enough someone will pick you up

I'd look into forming partnerships with WPL clubs, get as many of the lads as possible loan moves. If they still aren't quite good enough at least they've got a foot in the door elsewhere , while the other club has a far clearer idea of how good that lad is.


Hopefully the board see BV's comments and fully investigate and seek legal advice on his interpretation of the rules. Chester have found a loophole, so I see no harm in asking them for some advice too.

[Wrex07]

The problem is everyplayer player form U9’s-u16 is on nothing less than a registration form the same that you’d sign at any grass roots club, so unless the club is honourable like bagger has said Liverpool being the prime example these players can leave for free, within the simple 7 day rule.