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Old 30th May 2019, 07.12:19   #31-0 (permalink)
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As Standman has said- schools, colleges, visiting supporters etc.
Twickenham charge 12.50 entrance per adult and 7.50 for children to their rugby museum; they also have school trips. Twickenham Tour and Harlequins Hero Rugby Package
While The Racecourse might not be as glamorous as Twickenham (yet) it has more relevant history than any other stadium that I can think of. It just needs a bit of joined up thinking, rather than a token gesture to keep those up North quiet
It certainly needs some thinking. Who will run it, what are they going to display, how will it operate. Seems to me its just a fanciful idea with no substance.

I just see a great opportunity to build something for WAFC and incorporate it.
But its all kind of selfish as I dont even think there is any budget at the WAG.
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Business wise I dont think it has been thought through. As you say what visitors and what predictions have been made of numbers. Sounds like a museum for the preservation/posterity of our heritage - which is fine but not a business decision.

If there is 4.4m funding available then just buy the ground and build the museum. That way it safeguards the club and provides the facility but as you say a white elephant.

Alternatively build it into a project to take WAFC forward and interact it with match day and possibly part time opening and at least provide the museum and a better future for the club.

OH selfish me for these thoughts but 4.4m well spent in the North.
4.4million is not enough money to buy the ground and build a museum.

As you say the museum is not likely to make money. Some museums are major tourist attractions, most are not.

Whilst it would be great and appropriate to have it housed in the stadium in a purpose built facility, there isn't the money for that. It isn't just getting a room and sticking some stuff in it, the County Museum is a much bettter option for a host of practical reasons.
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4.4million is not enough money to buy the ground and build a museum.

As you say the museum is not likely to make money. Some museums are major tourist attractions, most are not.

Whilst it would be great and appropriate to have it housed in the stadium in a purpose built facility, there isn't the money for that. It isn't just getting a room and sticking some stuff in it, the County Museum is a much bettter option for a host of practical reasons.
There is already a plan to redevelop the Kop end. The Welsh Government is trying to purchase the derelict land behind the Kop to make that happen. If we could secure the football museum and the money budgeted for it in addition then I think that would be a good thing. It would make the Racecourse a destination outside of match days.

As regards the cost of running it. No museum makes money so it would require central funding to cover the running costs and upkeep - as it would wherever it is housed.
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There is already a plan to redevelop the Kop end. The Welsh Government is trying to purchase the derelict land behind the Kop to make that happen. If we could secure the football museum and the money budgeted for it in addition then I think that would be a good thing. It would make the Racecourse a destination outside of match days.

As regards the cost of running it. No museum makes money so it would require central funding to cover the running costs and upkeep - as it would wherever it is housed.
Agree - perhaps a cafe, welsh footy club shop and a few other attractions might help.......

Existing Museum is not the right place in my view - I'm sure if the decision had been made to place it in the south a competition would be held to design a modern lavish building to house the museum.
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Agree - perhaps a cafe, welsh footy club shop and a few other attractions might help.......

Existing Museum is not the right place in my view - I'm sure if the decision had been made to place it in the south a competition would be held to design a modern lavish building to house the museum.
Yes and the club could look to re locate the club shop next to or incorporated into the museum to hopefully pick up some sales from the museum footfall
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Yes and the club could look to re locate the club shop next to or incorporated into the museum to hopefully pick up some sales from the museum footfall
It has all sorts of difficulties and issues. If, for example, funding was secured for a new kop stand and the underneath used as a museum, firstly, the stand would be a whopper.

Secondly, whod own the stand? Whod own the insides if the FAW are operating it as a museum?

The way I see it, the stand would be owned by the Welsh Govt and the FAW and Wrexham AFC allowed to use it on match days. Wed effectively relinquish control of it.
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It has all sorts of difficulties and issues. If, for example, funding was secured for a new kop stand and the underneath used as a museum, firstly, the stand would be a whopper.

Secondly, whod own the stand? Whod own the insides if the FAW are operating it as a museum?

The way I see it, the stand would be owned by the Welsh Govt and the FAW and Wrexham AFC allowed to use it on match days. Wed effectively relinquish control of it.
Does it matter that much as long as it can be used?
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Or we buy the ground, we build a stand and house the museum charging the WAG rent.
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Does it matter that much as long as it can be used?
Not at all.
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There is already a plan to redevelop the Kop end. The Welsh Government is trying to purchase the derelict land behind the Kop to make that happen. If we could secure the football museum and the money budgeted for it in addition then I think that would be a good thing. It would make the Racecourse a destination outside of match days.

As regards the cost of running it. No museum makes money so it would require central funding to cover the running costs and upkeep - as it would wherever it is housed.
It would definitely be a good thing. I'm just unsure where the rest of the money is coming from 4.4 million is a great start and there may be stuff like Lottery funding but you'd expect a local partner to provide some capital funding, either WBC or the club, and I doubt either have that sort of money. This would have been a good project for European money but I doubt that's an option in the current climate.

If it's housed in an existing museum with existing curatorial staff etc it a likely to cost less for upkeep than if its a brand new facility.

A brand spanking new stand with state of the art National football museum and club shop attached would be amazing but when have we ever been that lucky?
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