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Is there anyone who has access to a more advanced ancestry search website to help out complete a history on John Taylor, one of our founding players.
After searching for many weeks, I have found out the following, but he then seems to merge amongst numerous John Taylors in the area.

John Taylor was born the son of John and Anne in Wrexham in 1842
He had one brother- Thomas Buchanan (b 1847) and two sisters- Francis (b 1840) and Anne (b 1845).

His father John (snr) was a town councillor and the licensed victualler of The Swan Inn, Penybryn, where the family brewed their own ale. He also served as a clerk for the ponies and riders who needed to register at The Swan Inn before attending race meetings at The Racecourse. John Taylor (snr) was seriously injured in an accident in 1858, and few weeks later, while he was recovering, his wife Anne also died. Subsequently, John Taylor (jnr) and his brother, Thomas Buchanan would take a more active role in the running of the business.
In the 1861 census John Taylor (b 1842) was listed as the landlord of The Swan Inn, until 1868, when the licence was passed to his brother, Thomas Buchanan, who lived at the premises until The Swan Inn was sold by its owners in 1871.
Thomas Buchanan would earn much acclaim for his athletic prowess, winning many trophies during athletics events at The Racecourse, where he also received The Player of the Season Awards, twice, for Wrexham Football Club during the 1870’s; additionally, he served as the club secretary in the 1880’s through to the 90’s. Prior to this, his older brother John Taylor (b1842) had been involved in the sporting activities at The Racecourse, where he served as a steward for the Autumn sports events WREXHAM AUTUMN SPORTS. )|1867-10-26|Wrexham and Denbighshire Advertiser and Cheshire Shropshire and North Wales Register - Welsh Newspapers Online and he may have been a member of The Gentlemen of Denbighshire County Cricket team who also represented North Wales against South Wales in 1867. The Home of CricketArchive. However, of the two brothers, only John would be old enough to play for the newly formed Wrexham Football Club in their first ever game on 22nd October 1864.
Thomas Buchanan would later follow in his fathers footsteps and serve as a town councillor for many years, while John Taylor .........................

There was a John Taylor who started to appear in the archives around 1870, an accountant, who may have been a secretary for Wrexham Athletic and or Victoria FC.
While another John Taylor was also an accountant and secretary for a number of organisations in the Town and later became Secretary to the Football association of Wales. This John Taylor was sentenced to 3 years penal servitude in 1898 for signing dodgy cheques, although at his time of sentence was only 39 years of age, so couldn't have played for WAFC's original team.

I have enough information on his brother Thomas Buchanan Taylor, who later played for WAFC and which I can update later.

Any help would be much appreciated
I believe that these John Taylors are all the same person, although I should add that he was the joint founder and secretary of Wrexham Olympic Football Club when Wrexham Football Club reformed in 1884, after being expelled from English football by the English FA for crowd trouble during an FA cup match against Oswestry in December 1883. At the same time he was heavily involved with Wales Football Association and was also the Chairman of The Denbighshire Football Association. I think that the newspaper report of his age when he was sentenced are wrong, and that he was one of our original founding players.
I have emailed the Welsh FA to see if they have more information on John Taylor, but they have not responded; possibly because he was convicted of embezzlement (although not in his football role).

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Attached are 3 No survey plans of The Racecourse over the years. The first (1874) shows just the Mold Road corner of the course, with just the MRS original stand and the Turf Hotel with the start/finish post directly opposite on the course. The second (1899) shows the entire ground with additional miltary buildings off Crispin Lane and what looks like possible terracing to the plas coch end and along the Mold Road Stand and possibly a bowling green. The third (1912) shows an additional stand on the Yale (ERS) and bowling green (458) the ground is also banked at the crispen Lane end. The fourth (1937) shows the the old angled stand at the side of the MRS and the plas coch (techend stand) joined to the Yale ERS stand with terracing at the far end, and terracing to the Crispen Lane End with steps down the middle. Therefore, The Yale stand must have been built between 1899 and 1912
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please please put some more historical stuff up....it'll make more interesting reading than the current dross re the inept startto the season
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please please put some more historical stuff up....it'll make more interesting reading than the current dross re the inept startto the season
Just doing a piece about Wrexham Athletic and Olympic, which I am hoping to post at the weekend WAL.
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Found this from 1891.
Wales International match against Canada at The Racecourse, which doesn't appear in Wales FA results history.

FOOTBALL.|1891-09-22|South Wales Echo - Welsh Newspapers Online

Wales 1 Canada 1

21st September 1891

FOOTBALL.|1891-09-18|Carnarvon and Denbigh Herald and North and South Wales Independent - Welsh Newspapers Online
I have a short report on this match where the opponents are referred to as 'Canadian Americans'. Interesting is that the Canadian Americans disputed the Welsh equaliser and it seems that the game wasn't completed due to the Canadians 'Leaving the field '
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I have a short report on this match where the opponents are referred to as 'Canadian Americans'. Interesting is that the Canadian Americans disputed the Welsh equaliser and it seems that the game wasn't completed due to the Canadians 'Leaving the field '
Be interesting to know the details and, what their dispute was?
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Be interesting to know the details and, what their dispute was?
I have been keeping an ad hoc 'diary' for years of events about The Racecourse and Wrexham FC. It is no way near as detailed as your research.

My information re the Canadian match came from a press cutting : London Standard - Tues 22nd September 1891.. I believe that the match was played on 21st Sept ( Monday ?).

Not sure if that helps ,,,, or hinders.
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Thanks Inside Left. I would hope that people would add to this post as a kind of information gathering place, where events and details about the history of the club can be brought together, as there always seems to be more to find out
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