Dennis Lawrence New Wrexham Manager (unconfirmed!)

[KingConnolly]

Originally Posted by redone

im in the other corner why do people think DL can get us out this league, Martinez fook me, my mam could pick a team from Belgium the quality players they have at the mo, how many quality managers have the W,indies, produced over the years , for get the quality ,managers then

See my last sentence!

My point is simple. You cannot possibly be so sure he will Be rubbish. Morell, Ricketts, Keates. All no experience and all did ok at the very least. Wilkin experience at the league below this level, most would say out of his depth. Saunders, pre Wrexham very experienced coach, did ok with us (with money) been poor since. Mills did well at gateshead, say no more

Who knows. But I will say this. I would take someone young (ish) and fresh over a journeyman who if I may paraphrase Jose mourinho is an expert in failure

[TaidTom]

I always find facts can get in the way of a good debate.

[redone]

Originally Posted by KingConnolly

See my last sentence!

My point is simple. You cannot possibly be so sure he will Be rubbish. Morell, Ricketts, Keates. All no experience and all did ok at the very least. Wilkin experience at the league below this level, most would say out of his depth. Saunders, pre Wrexham very experienced coach, did ok with us (with money) been poor since. Mills did well at gateshead, say no more

Who knows. But I will say this. I would take someone young (ish) and fresh over a journeyman who if I may paraphrase Jose mourinho is an expert in failure

so why do you think he will be a success then?

[Trodat]

Originally Posted by redone

im in the other corner why do people think DL can get us out this league, Martinez fook me, my mam could pick a team from Belgium the quality players they have at the mo, how many quality managers have the W,indies, produced over the years , for get the quality ,managers then

Didn’t realise your nationality had anything to do with competence! What next.... skin colour :dozer:

[alwaysred 45]

Originally Posted by WAFCExile

Yes.

Only four types of manager are available to us:

1. Untested managers on the way up (e.g. Wilkin)
2. Failed managers on the way down (e.g. Little)
3. Journeyman managers who've found their level (e.g. Smith, Mills)
4. Largely untried managers (e.g. Flynn, Saunders, Morrell, Keates, Ricketts)

The fifth, and rarest, type of manager (a proven consistent success) isn't available to us in the National League. It's a myth we're ever going to appoint a manager like that.

Dennis Lawrence has a number of things going for him:

1. He has half a lifetime in football. That doesn't guarantee he'll be a good manager, but he at least has experience.
2. He has worked with Graham Barrow in the past, and the Board has said they're looking for someone who'll work with our current backroom staff. This is important, because it would be both very expensive and very disruptive to sack them all and bring new guys in.
3. He has nearly one hundred caps. He's even played at the highest level — the World Cup — but spent a lot of time at lower levels. He knows the struggles of getting the best out of lower quality players, but also knows what it takes to be successful.

[*]He's had several years experience as a coach at a higher level than Wrexham (2½ years at Wigan and 2½ years at Everton). This will give him good experience of the professional standards we should be aspiring to.[*]He has the highest coaching badge available — a Pro licence. He might be somewhat untested in practice, but his qualifications are impeccable.[*]He has had nearly 2 years experience as a manager. You couldn't say managing Trinidad is a lower level than managing Wrexham. [*]An international manager, especially for a weaker side, must be able to spot talent to do their job. So he should be fairly good at signing players, as he's doing this everytime he puts a new squad together.[*]He fits the profile of our most successful recent managers. It wouldn't be a massive change if he came (and we don't need that.)[*]He was development coach at Everton, which suggests he's also good at bringing players on.[*]He has connections in the area, which increases the likelihood he'd agree to come.[*]He's well regarded by others. Martinez took him to Everton. His current employers don't want him to leave. He's never been sacked. Joey thinks well of him. Those are all good signs.

There are negatives, of course. He doesn't know the league, or necessarily the players available to us. His win record is poor (although of course with a poor team). It might take him a little while to settle into club football. It's a risk. But everything's a risk. As I said at the beginning, a manager who's proved consistently successfully isn't an option.

The main alternative being touted (John Askey) is more of a known quantity — and perhaps, therefore, less of a risk. But based on Askey's record, it would take us five more years to go up. I'm not sure that's acceptable to most.

Excellent post this all over

[KingConnolly]

Originally Posted by redone

so why do you think he will be a success then?

Sorry to seem like a bit of a di*k but see my last sentence on my first post!

Who knows!??

[redone]

Originally Posted by KingConnolly

Sorry to seem like a bit of a di*k but see my last sentence on my first post!

Who knows!??

so you are debating over it but you dont know why??

[Trodat]

Originally Posted by WAFCExile

Yes.

Only four types of manager are available to us:

1. Untested managers on the way up (e.g. Wilkin)
2. Failed managers on the way down (e.g. Little)
3. Journeyman managers who've found their level (e.g. Smith, Mills)
4. Largely untried managers (e.g. Flynn, Saunders, Morrell, Keates, Ricketts)

The fifth, and rarest, type of manager (a proven consistent success) isn't available to us in the National League. It's a myth we're ever going to appoint a manager like that.

Dennis Lawrence has a number of things going for him:

1. He has half a lifetime in football. That doesn't guarantee he'll be a good manager, but he at least has experience.
2. He has worked with Graham Barrow in the past, and the Board has said they're looking for someone who'll work with our current backroom staff. This is important, because it would be both very expensive and very disruptive to sack them all and bring new guys in.
3. He has nearly one hundred caps. He's even played at the highest level — the World Cup — but spent a lot of time at lower levels. He knows the struggles of getting the best out of lower quality players, but also knows what it takes to be successful.

[*]He's had several years experience as a coach at a higher level than Wrexham (2½ years at Wigan and 2½ years at Everton). This will give him good experience of the professional standards we should be aspiring to.[*]He has the highest coaching badge available — a Pro licence. He might be somewhat untested in practice, but his qualifications are impeccable.[*]He has had nearly 2 years experience as a manager. You couldn't say managing Trinidad is a lower level than managing Wrexham. [*]An international manager, especially for a weaker side, must be able to spot talent to do their job. So he should be fairly good at signing players, as he's doing this everytime he puts a new squad together.[*]He fits the profile of our most successful recent managers. It wouldn't be a massive change if he came (and we don't need that.)[*]He was development coach at Everton, which suggests he's also good at bringing players on.[*]He has connections in the area, which increases the likelihood he'd agree to come.[*]He's well regarded by others. Martinez took him to Everton. His current employers don't want him to leave. He's never been sacked. Joey thinks well of him. Those are all good signs.

There are negatives, of course. He doesn't know the league, or necessarily the players available to us. His win record is poor (although of course with a poor team). It might take him a little while to settle into club football. It's a risk. But everything's a risk. As I said at the beginning, a manager who's proved consistently successfully isn't an option.

The main alternative being touted (John Askey) is more of a known quantity — and perhaps, therefore, less of a risk. But based on Askey's record, it would take us five more years to go up. I'm not sure that's acceptable to most.

Excellent post - won’t register with many on here unfortunately! To happy moaning

[DoomandGloom]

Originally Posted by redone

im not the least bit worried about GB,so why have a manager then just get a computer to compute it and bingo a winning team, is that how it so works these days D&G

The manager has many jobs, recruitment is one of them. Getting those players, once signed, to play well as a team is a much tougher job.